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Styles: American Jiu Jitsu, Jeet Kune Do, Kendo/Fencing
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Originally Posted by Bumper
I think you just killed your argument there, bud. Elbows knees, and uppercuts are of no use in MMA? Maybe it's just me, but when I watch MMA I see lots of knees, elbows, and uppercuts. Also, I still don't see you justifying how Muay Thai is "just a workout, and not a form of fighting." I'm not trying to start a flame war, but some on. In both of your posts you've made two equally absurd statements.
The only place where knees and elbows are alloud is cage fighting, i dont see em much in MMA... you obviously have no reckelection at all. MT is not a form of fighting, i took it for a little bit and we didn't learn anything, we just kicked and punched.
The only place where knees and elbows are alloud is cage fighting, i dont see em much in MMA... you obviously have no reckelection at all. MT is not a form of fighting, i took it for a little bit and we didn't learn anything, we just kicked and punched.
Ok first off all your completely wrong on everything you just said. Secondly have you ever in your life watched UFC? That is MMA and they use knee's and elbows and I have even seen upper cuts... Not to mention I've seen it on many many other MMA fighting channels. So please dont give me this "MT is not an MA" because if it wasnt they wouldnt have an entire competition based on its fighting. It is one of the more brutal MA's out there. Also on another note... unless you've trained in MT for a good long time (not a couple months) but more like a couple years, I would highly recommend not speaking about it since you apparently have no clue what your talking about.
"Ignorance is not bliss... It makes people look like morons."
The only place where knees and elbows are alloud is cage fighting, i dont see em much in MMA... you obviously have no reckelection at all. MT is not a form of fighting, i took it for a little bit and we didn't learn anything, we just kicked and punched.
I'm sorry, you still don't know what you're talking about. cagefighting and MMA are terms that could almost be used interchangeably. Also, cagefighting is not the only place where knees and elbows are allowed. Even PRIDE (MMA that fights in a roped square ring) allows elbows, just not to the face. In any case, MMA has no real place in this argument, does it? This is TKD vs. Muay Thai. The rules of various MMA organizations have no bearing on whether a Thai boxer or a pracitioner of TKD would win a fight, am I right? On to another point. Just because you took a Muay Thai workout(many people have taken kickboxing and various forms of karate and martial arts (Muay Thai not excluded) and transformed them into shadow boxing workouts)class does not mean that you are the high authority on Muay Thai. I've studied Muay Thai for three years, the first two under an instructor who has lived in Thailand (studying MT there) for almost half of his life. I suggest you go to Thailand, or find an instructor from Thailand (or at least one that teaches combative MT) and give it a few lessons, then we'll see if you still think MT is not a form of self defense.
Lastly, on to another post on the subject at hand. TKD focuses mainly on kicks, correct? Most of them large spinning kicks thrown at the head. I understand that TKD has an array of hand strikes, take downs, and basic joint locks as well, but the emphasis is on large head kicks, correct? This is why I believe that an equally matched Thai boxer would win in a fight. I think that the TKD fighter would have his legs worn out by those MT roundhouses every time he throws a kick MT trains specifically to catch kicks (especially roundhouses, but it can be applied to spinning back kicks) thrown up high. Once hte boxer has caught one fo these he would unleash hell int he form of a hard roundhouse to the thigh, a knee to the chest or head, or a flurry of elbows, hooks, and uppercuts (or all of these). Of course we all know that no one fighting style is the "ultimate style." Any fight can go either way at any time. Everyone makes mistakes, and anyone can get caught with a fight ending hard right by a rookie (it's happened to me, and I know I'm not the only one). I'm not saying that every Thai boxer is ultimately better than a TKD fighter. I'm just saying that, in an ideal environment, assuming that neither fighter makes a mistake, and that both are absolutely equally matched, I am of the belief that a MT practitioner would come out on top. I welcome all disagreement (that is presented with valid reasons and presented in a remotely organized manner). I love this thread!
Well you have it partially right Bumper when you say TKD MA's do large spinning kicks... But thats not the entire thing. We are taught more things about kicking than any MA (to my understanding... I could be wrong) but we have short quick kicks to every section of the body, be it low/mid/or high we can do it all. The spinning kicks are just a very small part of a very big picture. A buddy of mine is in MT and Im a TKD fighter and the main difference between your kicks and ours is you use the harder section of your leg... It's the shin area I dont know the name for it, it seems to have slipped my mind. But see thats a minor difference because we are also taught to kick with different sections of our leg as well so... I believe the TKD MA has an upper hand when it comes to kicks (And yes we do kick to the legs to wear them out just like MT does).
Side Note: We also learn to use our elbows and knees... so MT and TKD are very common but not exactly the same. I think you guys focus more on elbow and knee attacks than TKD MA's do so. Thats a difference as well.
1.Well you have it partially right Bumper when you say TKD MA's do large spinning kicks... But thats not the entire thing.
2.main difference between your kicks and ours is you use the harder section of your leg... It's the shin area I dont know the name for it, it seems to have slipped my mind.
3.But see thats a minor difference because we are also taught to kick with different sections of our leg as well so... I believe the TKD MA has an upper hand when it comes to kicks (And yes we do kick to the legs to wear them out just like MT does).
4.Side Note: We also learn to use our elbows and knees... so MT and TKD are very common but not exactly the same. I think you guys focus more on elbow and knee attacks than TKD MA's do so. Thats a difference as well.
(Sorry to edit your post so much, but I didn't want to quote that whole thing!)
1.I understand that most of what I say about TKD is going to be partially right, and thanks for helping clear some stuff up. I'm always open to learning.
2.We kick with the actual shin most of the time. For front kicks we strike with either the balls of our feet or the heel.
3.TKD definitely has a wider arsenal of not only kicks, but techniques in general. However I am of the belief that "more is less." We use three basic kicks in Muay Thai the high/low roundhouse (they are thrown in the same fashion), the mid roundhouse, and the front kick. I see no need for any other kicks (except for maybe a sidekick in an ideal situation), as these kicks pretty much do everything I would need to do in a fight.
4.Yes, I've seen some TKD MAs use elbow strikes. I do agree with you on MT most likely having a stronger emphasis on elbow and knee strikes.
Its all about rules. A MT wont have a chance in the Korean TKD Olympics.
I've assumed all along that we were talking about these in a fist fight scenario where one fighter was using strictly TKD, and the other was using strictly Muay Thai.
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Originally Posted by Majis0422
True, but I think they are trying to say its a street fight that wont use dirty tricks (such as groin hits and the likes)
I ahd to chuckle a little when I saw this post (no offense to you, though), because I couldn't imagine a Thai boxer going a whole fight without pulling some kind of dirty tactic. Muay Thai is practically an entire art of dirty moves!
In a street fight, dirty tricks are a must. TKD has some defense applications where perhaps a MT have not harnessed.
Haha, well in a perfect world Martial there wouldnt be a such thing as dirty tricks like I described. And most of these hyoptheticals are just that... Hyopthetical, so maybe we can pretend there are no dirty tricks!!
Other wise yes, I agree TKD probably has more defense applications than MT... at least thats what Im getting when I talk to my friend about this.
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Originally Posted by Bumper
I ahd to chuckle a little when I saw this post (no offense to you, though), because I couldn't imagine a Thai boxer going a whole fight without pulling some kind of dirty tactic. Muay Thai is practically an entire art of dirty moves!
Lol, sorry when I said dirty tricks I just basicly meant no groin shots.
Side Note: Sorry I didnt see your post till I posted the one above this one, and I dont know how to make them 1 ><
I've assumed all along that we were talking about these in a fist fight scenario where one fighter was using strictly TKD, and the other was using strictly Muay Thai.
How can any fighter use strictly one thing or another?
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Originally Posted by Bumper
I ahd to chuckle a little when I saw this post (no offense to you, though), because I couldn't imagine a Thai boxer going a whole fight without pulling some kind of dirty tactic. Muay Thai is practically an entire art of dirty moves!
TKD dudes pull dirty moves also.....MT is hyped as well.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Lol, sorry when I said dirty tricks I just basicly meant no groin shots.
Side Note: Sorry I didnt see your post till I posted the one above this one, and I dont know how to make them 1 ><
No groin shots? You should head to Thailand and watch a good MT fight, I think you'd be verysurprised to see that groin shots are not only legal, but actually somewhat encouraged! It's a rough sport...
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan
How can any fighter use strictly one thing or another?
Lets assume that they could.
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan
TKD dudes pull dirty moves also.....MT is hyped as well.
I'm sure TKD does, almost every fighting art has some things that we would consider "foul play." I don't know how extensive it is in TKD, but I do know that there are numerous dirty techniques in MT.
Haha, well in a perfect world Martial there wouldnt be a such thing as dirty tricks like I described. And most of these hyoptheticals are just that... Hyopthetical, so maybe we can pretend there are no dirty tricks!!
Other wise yes, I agree TKD probably has more defense applications than MT... at least thats what Im getting when I talk to my friend about this.
In a perfect world, would there be any need of martial arts?
The point is, dont under estimate (or over estimate) a person, a art, from face value or what is seen under restrictions.
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Originally Posted by Majis0422
He probably means its the only MA they've trained in, so tech, they would be strictly doing only TKD or MT because they have no other experience.
Other experience is required when the rules are taken away. Suddenly, there is a whole new delivery
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
No groin shots? You should head to Thailand and watch a good MT fight, I think you'd be verysurprised to see that groin shots are not only legal, but actually somewhat encouraged! It's a rough sport...
Really? I watched quite a few MT fights in Thailand and I didnt see any groin shots. Then again I dont know what you would consider a "good MT fight" so I might of just seen average ones? Lol thats pretty intense that they encourage one to hit there.
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