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Why is TKD consistently and repeatedly beaten by Muay Thai fighters, only once have i ever seen a tkd fighter win and that was because he weighed like 80 more pounds than his opponent.
Why is TKD consistently and repeatedly beaten by Muay Thai fighters, only once have i ever seen a tkd fighter win and that was because he weighed like 80 more pounds than his opponent.
Firstly look at the sources of information, bear in mind martial arts rivalry is a common thing and remember there will be plenty of muay tai supporters trying to put TKD down, especially on things like youtube, where it may be a video of a muay tai and a karate practitioner fighting but has been renamed to make TKD look bad, this may be a result of jealousy as TKD is a successful martial art, especially in the west.
Secondly, maybe all the high ranking TKD sensais dont see the need to compete, take a look at the attitudes of the two martial arts, Im no expert, but It appears to me that mauy tai is highly aggressive, and highly competitive martial art, although TKD can be competitive it does contain more philosophy, and inner strength building, therefore a high ranking sensai will realize that he/she does not need to compete in order to prove themselves, if this is the case then there will be lots of experience mauy tai versus only the lower ranking black belts of TKD, meaning the result is simply due to lack of experienced TKD practitioners competing against mauy tai.
Finally, mauy tai has recently come across a popularity boom due to the recent films 'ong bak' and warrior king' both featuring the work of tony jaa, the media displaying mauy tai victories over TKD may be the tai government capitalizing on these films, and developing a similar revenue to chinas infamous shaolin temple.
These are just a few guesses, neither are good, but ive done my best., and I ask anyone to correct me about the assumptions ive made about the two arts.
In addition to what Ben posted there is another factor. What are they competing in? If it was more similar TKD competition I would bet on the TKD guy. If it was more similar to a MT competition I would bet on the MT guy. If it was a no holds barred fight on the street I would bet on the guy with better/more well rounded training, which on average would probably be the MT guy as currently the MT and MMA communities are attached at the hip(or knee or elbow).
Do a little bit of searching on YouTube and you can find plenty of videos where TKD beats MT. At the end of the day a person with better training and more fight experience should most likely beat someone with worse training and less fight experience.
At the end of the day a person with better training and more fight experience should most likely beat someone with worse training and less fight experience.
Don't forget spirit. The one who is willing to fully commit to the battle is has a distinct edge, as long as he/she had a decent amount of training.
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There is nothing really to discuss here. It all on the fighter not the style. Granted I think technically MT would win but that my thoughts and it boils down to the competitors. Lets not beat a dead horse here.
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I know everyone is sick of hearing this but I still believe that it is the individual not the style. It also has a lot to do with fudoshin - determination, never quit, confidence that you can only get by years of truly arduous, repetitive, consistent training and the belief that what you are doing is going to work no matter what the opponent does. There is a lot involved. I'm no expert but I am an old guy who has been around the martial arts a long time. Fought full contact in Madison Square Garden with runners on. Took TKD for 6 yrs. My son takes muay thai and we spar. He knocked my teeth out with an upper cut. I'm getting too old but I did put some pressure on my students last night and they responded well. Even in point karate, especially in NYC there are some, a minority it’s true, but some people who don't give a hoot about points shmoints. They are there for one purpose and one purpose only. They are there to hurt, injure, maim and break jaws. I teach my students to be prepared for anything because you just don't know what’s in the other person's head. I have seen & heard the crack of the intentional broken jaw and or KO purposely. The old Boy Scout code - always be prepared.
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IMHO no one martial art is "better" than the other. An old chinese proverb says "the martial art is only as good as the person using it." Unless we're talking mcdojos, pretty much the higher rank and more experience will win. Muay Thai is not really so much a martial art as it is like working out. There are no specific combos and such or throws, etc... in Muay Thai like their are in tae kwon do. The aim of muy thai is to get in shape and make your punches and kicks as hard as stone, while the aim of taekwondoe, is to end the fight as quickly and as less damaging as possible.
IMHO no one martial art is "better" than the other. An old chinese proverb says "the martial art is only as good as the person using it." Unless we're talking mcdojos, pretty much the higher rank and more experience will win. Muay Thai is not really so much a martial art as it is like working out. There are no specific combos and such or throws, etc... in Muay Thai like their are in tae kwon do. The aim of muy thai is to get in shape and make your punches and kicks as hard as stone, while the aim of taekwondoe, is to end the fight as quickly and as less damaging as possible.
So, it seems that TKD should take out the MT fast?
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
IMHO no one martial art is "better" than the other. An old chinese proverb says "the martial art is only as good as the person using it." Unless we're talking mcdojos, pretty much the higher rank and more experience will win. Muay Thai is not really so much a martial art as it is like working out. There are no specific combos and such or throws, etc... in Muay Thai like their are in tae kwon do. The aim of muy thai is to get in shape and make your punches and kicks as hard as stone, while the aim of taekwondoe, is to end the fight as quickly and as less damaging as possible.
This is the biggest load of bull I've ever read. Muay Thai is not a form of fighting, but only a work out? Muay Thai is not jazzercise. It is a traditional form of basic streetfighting that was invented for unarmed militaristic combat. It is not a work out method like Pilates. No combos? Are you kidding!? You obviously know next to nothing about Muay Thai. Please, if you are that ignorant of the subject, just don't give out your (ill-informed) opinion.
On topic. In my opinion, when broken down to two fighters of equal height, speed, skill, and strength, the Muay Thai fighter will come out on top every time. TKD is a very flamboyant martial art, and those ridiculous spinning kicks would just make the TKD practitioner fall prey to hard roundhouses from the Thai boxer. I don't study TKD, but I have never seen a TKD fighter in a clinch before. Does TKD study how to react, defend, and attack in a clinch? If not, then the TKD fighter would be destroyed by a flurry of knees, elbows, and uppercuts if the Thai boxer got close enough.
Hopefully a TKD fighter facing a MT fighter would be more worried about the lateral shin kicks as opposed to roundhouses. Either keep both legs on the ground or have neither on the ground. Just a theory.
I do agree however that rules play a factor. I wish people would branch out there is no point in being deficient.
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TKD is a very flamboyant martial art, and those ridiculous spinning kicks would just make the TKD practitioner fall prey to hard roundhouses from the Thai boxer. I don't study TKD, but I have never seen a TKD fighter in a clinch before. Does TKD study how to react, defend, and attack in a clinch? If not, then the TKD fighter would be destroyed by a flurry of knees, elbows, and uppercuts if the Thai boxer got close enough.
TKD training is most about reacting, counter attack and have a lot of clinch training, we also do a lot of blocks, locks and ground training, in the dojang I train we have 1 day a week for street fighting training, including low kicks and uppercuts, the problem in TKD is that people who doesn't train it only knows the olympic tournaments, where the rules doesn't allow that kind of techniques and tend to think that TKD is only that, but it is a combative MA that includes all kind of combat situation.
very true. People shouldnt just go by tournaments. Tourneys have very strict rules. Fighting a TKD practicioner on the street, I hope, would look very different.
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