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If you can train yourself to continue doing any task even though you are in pain, your mind is benefiting. In this case, he is continuing to punch those dang trees even though his hands are killing him. Ever hear of the saying, mind over matter. I guess this is how he feels like he is training his mind.
Other than that, he needs to stop. Its going to kill not only his hands but wrists, elbows, and shoulders in the long run. And when is he really going to need rock hard knuckles anyways?
I am living proof, and I dont care if one is a old master, that this has long-term detremental effects, and methods/training this way is not warranted in modern society
Strange, how this "simple device" still has a better benefit over so many years
Yes. And you can either buy one for about $35 or, with a two-by-four board and a roll of twine, build one for about $10.
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Yes. And you can either buy one for about $35 or, with a two-by-four board and a roll of twine, build one for about $10.
The problem associated with hardcore conditioning is the misled belief (hmmn) that it will be beneficial in fisticuffs. But logically, this training is for naught, when the opponent is a better fighter and prevails, or someone pulls out a "equilizer" and does harmful or fatal damge...then all of this condtioning has failed.
Previous masters who had done this, are constantly applying remedies to alleviate the long term effects. Why live a life like this? Unless one is going to do some serious hardcore fighting, for profit like competition, then this may be overtraining for the concensus of practitioners.
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hardening the body for abuse
As a MT fighter & now I am a trainer, bag training is all you need to do to toughen your hands and shins. One doesn't need to bash trees or hit bricks, unless you just want to. I like to hit the heavy thai bag without gloves but it takes practice and time to build calloused knuckles you do lose skin sometimes. And if you catch the bag the wrong way you can injure you wrist , so I'd advise as a MT trainer wrap your hands for max support and wear good bag gloves, drop the EGO and spar with the proper protection to prolong your days in or out of the ring/cage.
When your hands or shins are injured guess what your not training the right way for awhile, are you. If you can't spar or condition train then your not getting prepared for fighting MT/MMA. As you train more with the proper protection( good shin instep guards, mouth piece, headgear, cup, and 14 to 16 oz gloves) you gain necessary skills and you body will get accustomed to the battering it will receive. As you gain experience you can find yourself sparring comfortably without shin pads, headgear(do not recommend sparringing without headgear though).
I think practicing MT conditions you into a toughness without needing to beat up trees. THINK GREEN come on lets hit each other and stop picking on the trees.
As a MT fighter & now I am a trainer, bag training is all you need to do to toughen your hands and shins. One doesn't need to bash trees or hit bricks, unless you just want to. I like to hit the heavy thai bag without gloves but it takes practice and time to build calloused knuckles you do lose skin sometimes. And if you catch the bag the wrong way you can injure you wrist , so I'd advise as a MT trainer wrap your hands for max support and wear good bag gloves, drop the EGO and spar with the proper protection to prolong your days in or out of the ring/cage.
When your hands or shins are injured guess what your not training the right way for awhile, are you. If you can't spar or condition train then your not getting prepared for fighting MT/MMA. As you train more with the proper protection( good shin instep guards, mouth piece, headgear, cup, and 14 to 16 oz gloves) you gain necessary skills and you body will get accustomed to the battering it will receive. As you gain experience you can find yourself sparring comfortably without shin pads, headgear(do not recommend sparringing without headgear though).
I think practicing MT conditions you into a toughness without needing to beat up trees. THINK GREEN come on lets hit each other and stop picking on the trees.
There is a famous chinese kung fu master (I forgot the name) who punches brick like 1000 times a day and I've seen the picture of his knuckles and they are ugly and huge.
Again, these are extreme cases.
Pang Qing Fu, I believe, is his name.
Your friend is going to suffer from arthritis when he gets older. Unless you treat your hands with iron-bone medicines, you will have nerve, skin, and bone damage. Plus, you don't even have to hit that hard to soften the nerves. IF his hands look like pounded beef, he's an idiot. The point is to absorb contact, not to mess your hands up. He might feel powerful now, but in ten years time he'll be twenty years old, arthritic, and wondering why he was such an idiot and went out picking on trees that didn't do a goddam thing to him!
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In any case you should ask yourself why he is telling you this.
is he trying to gain respect by claiming he has been doing 'hardcore' training or is he just ignorant of its effects, maybe he is trying to get you to do the same thing so he feels more confident in what he is doing is right.
i think condition to that extreme is beyond unnecessary.
as someone above said, bag condition is all you pretty much need. one filled with sand, with is harder i think would be a better choice than the fancy foam ones you can purchase.
another thing is with sparring, a lot of fighters dont get conditioned for a fight. you can do a whole lot of bag work conditioning, but it will never weigh up to hitting something as hard as the human body.
i think a lot of it comes to to sparring. sparring with pads, can become close to pointless if you are training for a tornuament.
if you dont spar without pads, you arent going to get the same conditioing as oppose to sparring with pads. a kick to the thigh, is completely different without a pad. you could take 100 kicks to the thigh with a pad, but if you cant take 10 without, whats the point?
In any case you should ask yourself why he is telling you this.
is he trying to gain respect by claiming he has been doing 'hardcore' training or is he just ignorant of its effects, maybe he is trying to get you to do the same thing so he feels more confident in what he is doing is right.
i know why he told me. its because i asked him how he was
Your friend is going to suffer from arthritis when he gets older. Unless you treat your hands with iron-bone medicines, you will have nerve, skin, and bone damage. Plus, you don't even have to hit that hard to soften the nerves. IF his hands look like pounded beef, he's an idiot. The point is to absorb contact, not to mess your hands up. He might feel powerful now, but in ten years time he'll be twenty years old, arthritic, and wondering why he was such an idiot and went out picking on trees that didn't do a goddam thing to him!
Medicines are not the cure, just to alleviate symptoms and give a degree of comfort. The damage is done and irreversible.
is this guy right?
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