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Styles: Currently:MT, BJJ (No)Gi, Kali/JKD, West Boxing, PK/freerun JunFan Gung Fu Previously:WC Ninjutsu,
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So I'm sorry to bring up a dead thread (been looking for this everywhere), but I was curious about what you know (Tri) about the link between the modern stance, that incorporates a high guard, and Panatukan wich for arguements sake we will call empty handed Escrima (EHE?)?
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So I'm sorry to bring up a dead thread (been looking for this everywhere), but I was curious about what you know (Tri) about the link between the modern stance, that incorporates a high guard, and Panatukan wich for arguements sake we will call empty handed Escrima (EHE?)?
No worries, as far as I know panantukan has nothing to do with western boxing. The stance is similar but it is also found in kali. The hand techniques look a lot like muay thai, so I would assume that it may have been influenced by muay thai, same with the stance. Their cross or staight punch is exactly like muay thai they twist back first and then uncoil before thowing the punch in boxing you would let this roll off of your deltoid more then your waist. If that makes sense?
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Perfect sense, I wanna look more into it ya see!
And for the record, the reason that they used that stance, was that it translated much better into knife fighting. That's why fillipinos never used the traditional low down (Almost Wing Chuny) kinda stance.
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The video is intresting. I recognise alot of the basic movements and ideas from it.
What he calls a shoulder stop, we call a "Straight Jam" and a Bi-cep stop we call a "Short Jam", and of couse the attacks are diffrent the style diffrent.
I am a little confused that he as a high level martial artists says that the fist on the waist is a karate thing. It is a karate basic training thing yes, to learn acceleration and movement, but when we fight for real we fight from the geared guard position, that has both hands raised. Maybe thats just a modern alteration to karate.
But then the history of boxing has never been a speciality of mine, so I don't know how much it applies.
Well I don't know how long ago that was, I know that 40 years ago Shukokai karate-ka at the least were using and had been using the double raised hands, geared gaurd position.
Because my sensei still uses the old geared guard position, with the left arm geared back beside the face and slightly out to the side.
"Boxing is a phenomenon that started thousands of years ago. While its exact roots are still unknown, many historians believe that boxing started in Greece, Rome and North Africa as earlier as 4000 B.C. It remained a prominent part of human culture in one form or another for many centuries. However, it was in the 18th century when Boxing emerged in England as a workingman's sport.
The credit of being one of the earliest boxing stars goes to James Figg who remained a heavyweight champion from 1719 till 1730. However, Boxing of that time was quite different from what we now see in the ring. The rules and patterns of present day boxing were formed under Marquess of Queensberry rules in 1867. It introduces 3-minute rounds while gloves are made mandatory for the boxers. Also, since boxing is essentially a 'fighting between two players using fists', hence elements of wrestling were eliminated from the game with the passage of time.
Now after a century or more since the introduction of the Marquess of Queensbury rules, boxing has grown into one of the most professional and popular sports of the world. Today, boxers from different countries and regions play under different categories while the following of this sport has also spread all over the world"
The History of Boxing
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