You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
Muay Thai / KickboxingDiscuss Muay Thai or Kickboxing here
Welcome to the forums. I am very familiar with the chute boxe academy and the fighters they have produced. They were at one time the most dominant team in PRIDE perhaps even in MMA in general. The striking art they taught there was called Muay Thai however and, does not vary that greatly from training one would get at a fairtex or any other reputable thai school.
Welcome to the forums. I am very familiar with the chute boxe academy and the fighters they have produced. They were at one time the most dominant team in PRIDE perhaps even in MMA in general. The striking art they taught there was called Muay Thai however and, does not vary that greatly from training one would get at a fairtex or any other reputable thai school.
Correct.
So is this place a sanctioned Chute Box school?
No.
I wonder why?
If I teach my BJJ class differently than the class down the street it's still BJJ. Not Joemoplata BJJ.
In the world of Martial Arts, and especially the very particular and picky world of Mixed Martial Arts there flat out is not a recognized art called "Brazilian Muay Thai".
Sorry, but that's just the truth. They are merely trying to capitalize on the Anderson Silva bandwagon is all. That doesn't mean they aren't a good school, though.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
I was going to put my five cents in as to how the key difference between Muay Thai and Brazilian MT was all to do with shaving body hair. Then I realised that there were actually two chicks on this thread so I thought better of it.
Oh hang on, neither has been active for a few weeks now. Geez Joe you certainly know how to chase women away. Stop feeling so insecure man. It's not like Tri has eyes for anyone but you.
I feel inclined to add to this thread, as a person training in Brazilian Style Muay Thai.
Fist off Yes there is (BMT).
As a student and someone who trains MMA, Brazilian style MT is more aggressive and the foot work is different than traditional Muay Thai from Thailand. The striking, stance is different and the clinch work is unique. So there is a different and this style differs from Traditional Muay Thai.
You seem to be close minded about the style and the instructor so I have included some background information since you appear to be misinformed:
The person who owns and runs the gym is a professional fighter from Curitiba, Brazil. He was trained under the legendary Carlson Gracie in BJJ and Katel “The Blade” Kubis in Muay Thai. He holds a purple belt in BJJ and his Brazilian fight records include 7 wins and 1 loss in Muay Thai, 6 wins and 1 loss in BJJ tournaments and winner of the 2004 Paranaense de jiu-jitsu tournament and 2 wins and 1 loss in MMA / Vale Tudo.
He trained in Brazil before coming to Toronto to open his Gym.
Also, I will refer to another statement that you had made previously which makes you come off as a hypocrite:
1. "The only two Martial Arts associated with Brazil are Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (which is really just modified judo/jujitsu) and Capoeira."
If this is true then why cant there be a Brazilian style muay thai? You make no sense. Hence BMT is modified Muay Thai. So its only what it claims to be if you say so? You are not being fair.
2. "Training Muay Thai in Brazil is not harder than it is in Thailand."
How can you even claim such a thing? Every gym is different. Yes Training in Thailand should be tough but I am sure there are camps in Brazil that work you just as hard if not harder.
2. "I understand the marketing spin here, I get it okay...I just don't like it. Anderson Silva is known for being a pretty nice, humble guy and I hate to see people trying to cash in on his current popularity in a way I bet he wouldn't even like himself."
The Gym is affiliated with the Killers Bee's Muay Thai College and Anderson Silva's training partners. His ju-jitsu collogues will provide training sessions on a regular basis, with some even relocating permanently to conduct classes and train and compiled fight team. There is no ploy here. This gym is a legit MMA training facility along with Extreme Couture Toronto and a few others outside of the GTA.
Gui is a professional fighter and is an incredible coach and instructor. You dont know what you are talking about. You making statements like you are some sort authority on MMA and the history or combat style martial arts.
This has nothing to do with semantics and Canada being a multicultural society. It has to do with being what it is. Try the class before you start trying to say its not what its claimed to be.
If I teach my BJJ class differently than the class down the street it's still BJJ. Not Joemoplata BJJ.
In the world of Martial Arts, and especially the very particular and picky world of Mixed Martial Arts there flat out is not a recognized art called "Brazilian Muay Thai".
Sorry, but that's just the truth. They are merely trying to capitalize on the Anderson Silva bandwagon is all. That doesn't mean they aren't a good school, though.
Joemaplata - you are hater and probably just a keyboard warrior who says things just to spite people and stirr the pot. Based on your comments, I take whatever you say with a grain of salt.
No its not a sanctioned Chute box club. It has zero to do with that place. Just because he trained there doesnt mean he has to carry it forward. He is obviously confident in his skills, style and teaching abilities...
Joemaplata - you are hater and probably just a keyboard warrior who says things just to spite people and stirr the pot. Based on your comments, I take whatever you say with a grain of salt.
No its not a sanctioned Chute box club. It has zero to do with that place. Just because he trained there doesnt mean he has to carry it forward. He is obviously confident in his skills, style and teaching abilities...
LOL! Yes, I'm just a keyboard warrior. Way to peg me correctly!
There is no such thing as Brazilian Muay Thai. There is Muay Thai. You do not get to just make stuff up because you feel like it.
Do you even know what Muay Thai means?
Muay Thai means "Thai Boxing".
So...and I just want to make sure you have enough understanding here.........
You are trying to start something called "Brazilian Thai Boxing".
This could be one of the idiotic conversations I have ever had on an internet forum.
I am going to go out and start my own art today called "American Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu" because the way I train is different than traditional Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
See how stupid that sounds?
So I will repeat.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BRAZILIAN MUAY THAI.
There is Muay Thai.
OR....and this is going to blow your mind, I know..
There is Brazilian Kickboxing.
Try that one, that gives you guys the marketing spin you need to fool guys running around in Tapout and Affliction shirts to come in because they think something from Brazil is somehow better. Be sure you tell them how you're from Chute Box but not really.
If you're a legitimate MMA school, and in no way am I saying you're NOT, then you don't need to use spin to bring students in. Use your school's competition records and let that stand on it's own. If you want to offer multiple types of classes for various ranges of combat, then you would be smart to advertise those classes as:
Any other terminology you want to use make's you SOUND like a McDojo trying to cash in on the recent explosion of MMA and will not make you popular with the hardcore MMA crowd.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
Training Offered
Weight Training, Submission/Catch Wrestling, Wrestling, Jiu Jutsu (bjj), Kick Boxing, Boxing, Muay Thai, Mixed Martial Arts (mma)
This is from Black Houses website that's the gym where Silva trains and where Killer Bees Muay Thai College is affiliated with. They make no claim to teaching BMT and in every interview Silva him self refers to it as Muay Thai. Nog refers to Silva as his Muay Thai coach not his Brazilian Muay Thai. This not to take away from what this school does I'm sure they are a very solid school. But the only facility in the world makes claim to teaching Brazilian Muay Thai is this school and yes it is capitalizing off the popularity of Anderson Silva and MMA/the UFC.
There is no major difference in Silva's foot work and traditional Muay Thai foot work except that the stance is more narrow. There is absolutely no difference in his clinch work at all.
Training Offered
Weight Training, Submission/Catch Wrestling, Wrestling, Jiu Jutsu (bjj), Kick Boxing, Boxing, Muay Thai, Mixed Martial Arts (mma)
This is from Black Houses website that's the gym where Silva trains and where Killer Bees Muay Thai College is affiliated with. They make no claim to teaching BMT and in every interview Silva him self refers to it as Muay Thai. Nog refers to Silva as his Muay Thai coach not his Brazilian Muay Thai. This not to take away from what this school does I'm sure they are a very solid school. But the only facility in the world makes claim to teaching Brazilian Muay Thai is this school and yes it is capitalizing off the popularity of Anderson Silva and MMA/the UFC.
There is no major difference in Silva's foot work and traditional Muay Thai foot work except that the stance is more narrow. There is absolutely no difference in his clinch work at all.
And what Triangle is pointing out here, which should be rather obvious but incredibly enough it's not somehow...is that we're talking about Anderson Silva's MMA techniques. If you think that stance and footwork are the same for standard Muay Thai and MMA you are in a world of hurt.
As Triangle is pointing out, please show me where anyone else is claiming to use, teach, or practice Brazilian Muay Thai. Do you understand that you are trying to make claims to a new, UNIQUE martial art? There is no one in Brazil making any claims that they have so clearly redefined Thai Boxing that it deserves it's own, separate definition.
There's no school making the claims to have started it in Brazil. There's no sanctioning body. There's no Brazilian Muay Thai competitions with this unique set of rules or whatever it is that's so different. There's no separation at all, just two guys on an internet forum telling multiple other people how wrong they are because we don't understand.
You train Muay Thai bro.
It's okay, that's cool. Good for you, that's a great art for learning striking. Your training methodologies for learning this sport sound like they are good. Leave it at that.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
Styles: Western Boxing, Tai Chi, Animal Form Kung Fu, and Wing Chun
Posts: 4,510
Home Country:
**sniffs** You mean I can't use Brazilian Wing Chun as the name for what I do? I can't claim it was created by a Catholic nun in Brazil by the name of Rosina Wing Chun?! I'm soooo disapointed!!!
ok firstly this thread has inspired me to go off and start my own British American Brazillian JuJitsui (i dont know why i hadnt thought of this before) lmao. Another thing is what on earth is that spamming guy trying to achieve lol
ok firstly this thread has inspired me to go off and start my own British American Brazillian JuJitsui (i dont know why i hadnt thought of this before) lmao. Another thing is what on earth is that spamming guy trying to achieve lol
Are you sure you don't want to add your name in there somewhere? That's what a lot of people seem to like to do these days.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
RENEGADE NEW MUAY THAI GYM
Linear Mode
