Starting Up Kick Boxing/Boxing

[Jozen-Bo]

I looked into a school that offers both boxing and kick-boxing which has caught my interest. What especially interests me is that they can place prospective students into a professional match. There are two things I like about this. First, it gives me a chance to put my theory to a vigorous test. Second, I can win money.

I forgot to ask if the kick-boxing they offer has anything to do with Muay Thai, I'll have to ask next time I drop by.

This is a big step in another direction for me, as I learned Kajukenbo, which allows one to do anything. The rule is survive and the fighting was developed in a very violent place and time, so it had to be practical and stand up against many other martial arts.

I am not sure how different this will be. In boxing you cannot kick someone in the nuts, not perform a snapping eagle claw to pop their eye out. There would be some very nasty tournaments if you could. In kick-boxing, I am not sure if you can throw a side thrust kick, which happens to be my most devastating kick. I've seen it on TV, but I don't recall seeing any. I could be wrong, don't know.


That doesn't stop me from wanting to take classes. Most of the martial arts schools I've visited and asked questions to offer no way to get into a full contact fighting sport. Most are strictly for self defense, while attending tournaments that do point fighting and forms. Kajukenbo offered full contact fighting events, but I think it was done privately amongst students. I can't remember.

I'll adjust, given that I am able to begin classes. Any insights by anyone who has undergone a similar process would be welcome. Also, any constructive advice is also welcome. I'll likely be frequenting the boxing/kick-boxing threads more because of this.

[tkdKaren]

Originally Posted by Jozen-Bo

This is a big step in another direction for me, as I learned Kajukenbo, which allows one to do anything.

So you are finished learning Kajukenbo? It sounds like you are saying you have learned all there is to this art and are starting another now. Also, you sound like you are saying that kajukenbo is the ultimate art and if so, why learn something else if you can already do everything? Just wondering...

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by tkdKaren

So you are finished learning Kajukenbo? It sounds like you are saying you have learned all there is to this art and are starting another now. Also, you sound like you are saying that kajukenbo is the ultimate art and if so, why learn something else if you can already do everything? Just wondering...

No, I wish I could say that I graduated...so to say. But, I didn't. I got married and moved to the other side of the world. I can't train Kajukenbo here, believe me when I say I looked for a school. They aren't here at this time.

I've considered learning other arts, but not many of them appeal to me, I am much more critical after studying Kajukenbo. I prefer a round-a-bout style that mixes the fighting ranges, rather then focusing on one or another. I like being able to mix it up.

I am taking boxing and kick-boxing because I will be able to get into professional fights easier...which will provide me a means to test something. I can also win good money. If there was another school offering these possibilities within my area I would consider them also.

That is something of a concern to me, because I wouldn't actually box or kick box in a fight, as I said earlier, I like to mix it up. However, in a ring...I am limited. Its not the same. So I am making an inquiry.

As to my opinion on Kajukenbo, it is solid...one of the best. The teachers are amazing, despite their own humbling words. I am not saying it is the best, I don't believe there is a best...my mind doesn't work like that. I believe that the person is more important then the art, what they give they get. Not everyone trains the same even if they are in the same class. This isn't to say that the art isn't important, just that the person is more important.

Kajukenbo would go to a tournament were over 15 other schools attended and walk away with half of the trophies. When other students from other schools came to our school to train with us, over and over it displayed dominance. It is very aggressive, very effective, and extremely practical. A good fighting style does add into the overall making of a good fighter a great deal.

[TRIANGLEFROMGUARD]

You can do sidekicks in kickboxing.

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

You can do sidekicks in kickboxing.

Awesome!!!

I once kicked a guy through a wall that he was standing 8 feet away from. He flew into and through the wall. And he was braced for impact. I recall over the course of one week that my side kicks became much better as soon as I got a feel for loosening up the hips. Its a great kick!


What about Kenpo kicks...

[TRIANGLEFROMGUARD]

I don't know what those are

[JackG]

Originally Posted by Jozen-Bo

Awesome!!!

I once kicked a guy through a wall that he was standing 8 feet away from. He flew into and through the wall. And he was braced for impact. I recall over the course of one week that my side kicks became much better as soon as I got a feel for loosening up the hips. Its a great kick!

Joke right? or a temporary wall atleast other wise

Originally Posted by Jozen-Bo

I am taking boxing and kick-boxing because I will be able to get into professional fights easier...which will provide me a means to test something.

If you believe you don't need to the boxing training before you get in the ring , you are wrong , i don't usually say this as most know on this forum i'm quite chilled but you are flat out wrong.

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by JackG

Joke right? or a temporary wall atleast other wise

No joke, we were in training and he was holding a kicking bag, and braced for impact. Whereas most students could normally withstand side kicks without getting knocked back, it was getting harder and harder to withstand mine. I am rather tall and have very long and strong legs. I am a natural good kicker.

It was an American wall, not too strong compared to the German concrete walls. He was in good shape and only got a few bruises, kept on training after taking a 5 minute break. Good thing he wasn't facing the mirrored wall.

Originally Posted by JackG

If you believe you don't need to the boxing training before you get in the ring , you are wrong , i don't usually say this as most know on this forum i'm quite chilled but you are flat out wrong.

That would be a stupid thing to do, that is...get into the ring without training. I wouldn't dream of it. Yes, I will be training and I will be keeping close track of my progress as I go along.

I don't see how I am flat out wrong, you began your post in the form of a question "If you believe you don't need boxing training before..." and then answer the question "you are wrong" and then follow up as if I did say I wouldn't be training "flat out wrong". Did I ever say I would not be training...

I'll clarify.


Yes, I will train both my body and my mind.

[03youngd]

How old are you Jozen because if you were gunna try and get into professional boxing i would train solid, like exercise everyday and boxing training 3 nights to 4 nights a week. And how long are you expecting to do kickboxing and boxing before going pro?

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by 03youngd

How old are you Jozen because if you were gunna try and get into professional boxing i would train solid, like exercise everyday and boxing training 3 nights to 4 nights a week. And how long are you expecting to do kickboxing and boxing before going pro?

32 years of age.

You re right, one should train solid for this, especially considering that the other boxers are training solid (if they are on top of their game...that is). I will be able to train as many as 5 nights a week for the boxing, though I think I'll end up averaging 4 nights a week. As to exercising...everyday...you got it!

I don't know how long it will take before I am ready for the ring, it could be 1 or 2 years, it could be less or more...I don't know enough about that environment to give an accurate prediction. The manager's will likely know where I am and when I am ready better then me. I would give you a better answer if I could.

[Jozen-Bo]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I don't know what those are

Kenpo kicks are very similar to front snap kicks, except they curve, from inwards to outwards. They are great for getting around one's lower defenses (as in blocking with the knees for example). They generally don't generate as much power as other kicks, but are snappy and can hurt a great deal. Considering that the target is often the groin or the knee I am inclined to think they aren't allowed. As to the knee...that can cripple someone if the kick is landed just right so I am doubtful.

The kicks are very practical, I've used them time and again with successful results. Against someone who doesn't train and has had no formal training they work about 99% of the time...very sneaky kicks they are. Against sparring partners who have trained they work about 90% on down to about 10% of the time (depending on where the sparring partner is at in their training). I have even landed these kicks against many masters. I've only ever used them once in a real fight...1 kick to the groin...snap...and the fight was over.

[tkdKaren]

An American wall? Duh do you not realize that walls are composed of many different materials including concrete so to say it was "an American wall" is really quite idiotic. I studied American architecture but also architecture around the world as it shows that there are many different types of building materials in every country. You should have said it was a standard wall made of 2 x 4 construction and drywall or what have you. There are no such things as American walls and German walls.

Drywall is simple sheetrock and very easy to penetrate. Had he hit the stud, it probably would have been different.

[bloodstrike75]

The best thing is to find out the rules in what you are competing in. I practice Muay Thai and throw kicks, elbows, etc. that are good for self defense, but in the ring are illegal. The amatuer fights that I have been in do not allow elbows to the head, nor knee strikes to the head. Groin kicks are generally not allowed in a sport type environment.

[Joemoplata]

*sigh*

Where to begin?


"I kicked a guy through a wall because I am a naturally good kicker and am powerful".

Wow. Calm that ego down bro, it's starting to make you look bad

"I am going to box or kickbox professionally".

You don't seem to know anything about being a professional athlete so let me explain how this works for you. To be a "professional" means that someone is paying you to come in and fight for them. In other words, they pay you because people pay them to see you fight. The only way someone is going to show any interest in you enough to want to pay you is for you to have some sort of actual record that speaks to your credentials in the ring. Telling people you sit around and stare at a wheel to learn how to kick someone hard enough to put them through a wall is not going to get you a pro fight. Neither is simply training hard.

You have to work your way into the scene by first fighting at the amateur level and doing well. Then, maybe, someone will show enough interest in you to want to offer you a professional fight. Once you have taken money for a fight, you can no longer fight under an amateur basis any longer.

Jozen once again dude I am going to suggest you meet with some people who are a little more grounded in reality and discuss with them what you are doing. You seem to not know much of what is going on around you dude and need some assistance.

[souldrum71]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

You have to work your way into the scene by first fighting at the amateur level and doing well. Then, maybe, someone will show enough interest in you to want to offer you a professional fight. Once you have taken money for a fight, you can no longer fight under an amateur basis any longer.

Joe is right. You are going to have to compete at the amateur level for a while before even thinking about going pro. Gotta learn to walk before you can run, dude.