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Sorry but murder, is murder and it doesn't matter why you did it.
But, the point which I myself am losing is this. Karate before Funakoshi, was about fighting and yes killing. Jujitsu was about killing with your bare hands and was only part of a larger system called bujitsu (literally Martial Arts). And martial means war or pretaining to warfare, there for unless it was part of the origional budo arts (Judo, Aikido, Kendo, and Karate-do) it was a purely physical art (?-jitsu). It was purely about killing on the battlefield.
Indeed, martial arts were prinarily used for fighting. In much, killing. Hence the many weapons associated.
Getting on topic, how can anything be classified as a exclusive ninjitsu move?
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While I agree, we were never as bad as the Brits during our war for freedom. We where always on the diffensive, as they had to cross an ocean to fight us.
Obviously we were not "always on the defensive." No war is won that way. And the colonial army did not just fight from behind trees and such. Most of the major victories of the Revolutionary War for America were won by virtue of greater numbers and strategic advantage, not trees. During the war, Tories were hounded, intimidated, and sometimes killed in various colonial cities, so there is no point in talking about who was "as bad as" who else. For a great number of reasons we went to war and for a great number of reasons we won. Bottom line.
Getting on topic, how can anything be classified as a exclusive ninjitsu move?
You can't really, taijitsu is another name for jujitsu. And the same weapons the samurai used, so did the ninja. Ninjitsu only unique areas of study where in phychology, herbalism, poisons, and stealth. And they were only excluse ninja subjects in the vacuum of Ancient Japan. They existed in all other cultures as well.
If fact the last ninja Seiko Fujita of the Koga Ryu, trained 2000 men in very basic ninjitsu concepts and waged a guarrilla (sp) war in Berma and China for 4 years. Only 17 of the orgional 2000 survived including him. But he also stormed the origional shaolin temple and stole the Shaolin's scroll on Shaolin Kungfu.
Fujita, studied Karate, Judo and several over Okinawan arts to incorperate into his over all system. To****ora Yama****a, a master of Shorin Ryu Kenpo trained with and alledgedly learned some ninjitsu concepts from Fujita, so did Kano.
You can't really, taijitsu is another name for jujitsu. And the same weapons the samurai used, so did the ninja. Ninjitsu only unique areas of study where in phychology, herbalism, poisons, and stealth. And they were only excluse ninja subjects in the vacuum of Ancient Japan. They existed in all other cultures as well.
If fact the last ninja Seiko Fujita of the Koga Ryu, trained 2000 men in very basic ninjitsu concepts and waged a guarrilla (sp) war in Berma and China for 4 years. Only 17 of the orgional 2000 survived including him. But he also stormed the origional shaolin temple and stole the Shaolin's scroll on Shaolin Kungfu.
Fujita, studied Karate, Judo and several over Okinawan arts to incorperate into his over all system. To****ora Yama****a, a master of Shorin Ryu Kenpo trained with and alledgedly learned some ninjitsu concepts from Fujita, so did Kano.
So as per kangaroo, the thread starter, ninjitsu basic moves? What are some basic or none basic moves in this fighting style,and how do you perform them?confused:
This thread could seem askant.
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So as per kangaroo, the thread starter, ninjitsu basic moves? What are some basic or none basic moves in this fighting style,and how do you perform them?confused:
This thread could seem askant.
Every system has its own, ideas or fundamentals. Consider fundamentals as basics, I like the word fundamentals because it makes you think more of foundations.
The basics/fundamentals of ninjitsu vary from system to system. In my own system they are basic techniques similar to those of karate, jujitsu, judo etc. a punch is a punch type of thing. The advanced techniques are variant applications of the fundamentals, like in any other system.
Most of the adavnced stuff is really applications of fundamentals combined with indepth study, such as an indepth study of human anatomy, reflexes and psychology.
For an example, consider that with a variation of high block/elbow strike, I can block your punch and shatter your sternum. Its kinda hard to explain in this form.
Every system has its own, ideas or fundamentals. Consider fundamentals as basics, I like the word fundamentals because it makes you think more of foundations.
The basics/fundamentals of ninjitsu vary from system to system. In my own system they are basic techniques similar to those of karate, jujitsu, judo etc. a punch is a punch type of thing. The advanced techniques are variant applications of the fundamentals, like in any other system.
Most of the adavnced stuff is really applications of fundamentals combined with indepth study, such as an indepth study of human anatomy, reflexes and psychology.
For an example, consider that with a variation of high block/elbow strike, I can block your punch and shatter your sternum. Its kinda hard to explain in this form.
Variant applications doesnt lend to have it that it is a exclusive.
Quite frankly, anything that you demonstrate could be passed off as almost any type of other martial art.
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Hi Guys,
Been reading your obs with my objective eye, and can understand how and why people view this art as they do, it is the nature of the human beast, an example perhaps is that there are people who may believe that in all schools of Gung Fu/Kung Fu to reach proficiency you will be required to embrace a cauldron of red hot coals with your inner forearms as Mr Carradine did in the tv series, or that you will learn to leap to the top of the tallest tree in a single bound,or fight as you glide 20ft in the air.
These conclusions, and many other understandable misconceptions or views regarding any subject, from politics to pie making, stem from a lack of access to reliable and authentic sources of information, or to coin a phrase,.... "Straight from the horses mouth" .
The "Art of the Ninja" as the general public or those not studying perceive it, could`nt be further from the truth, it is one of the most misunderstood and innacurratly reported subjects of the ancient, and modern age.
Please dont think I am complaining or critisising in any way, nor am I attempting to gain any sympathy or canvassing for support, in actual fact many of these falsehoods and innacuracies were created by and encouraged by Ninja themselves, in order to divert and distract unwanted attention, this helped to ensure survival of the true arts, an incredible wealth of knowledge with unlimited potential, in fact many of the techniques, training methods, strategies, and philosophies, are used by elite special forces, protection agencies, and government security units today.
If you really want more of a Real insight from an authentic source, visit Shihan Jack Hobans website or Dojo, or read one of the many books by Dr Masaaki Hatsumi 34 Grandmaster Togakure lineage, the worlds last surviving REAL NINJA.
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What makes you say that dude?, according to Sanmyaku, and Bujin issues I have recieved from Hombu Dojo, along with 18 years of seminars and a library of official literature by Hatsumi and Stephen K Hayes, added to various films and tv docs, Dr.Hatsumi
is recognised by the Japanese Govt. as the last surviving authentic Ninja, and as such is regarded as a national treasure!!...........,But I will check with My Shihan later.
So, how can one be a bonefide ninjustu instrcutor, when secracy and stelath was utmost?
See, though I can accept it as a martial art, I cant seem to fully understand how anyone can claim to trach it or learn it.
The ninja shrouded in mystery bit, is more urban legend if you will then fact. The origional scrolls of both the Iga Ryu and the Koga Ryu are setting in a museum. Ninjitsu has been intigrated into the Japanese Military by Seiko Fujita, the last ninja hired by the Japanese Governement during WW2. Ninjitsu secrecy ended after WW2.
When Fujita and his top students in Ninjutsu died in a car crash in the 1960s, his specific and entire system died with him. However, Fujita was mixing Ninjitsu, with Kenpo-jujutsu, Karate, Judo etc. Some of the masters in other styles he wanted to learned from made a trade off teaching them ninjutsu concepts in the exchange.
So some ninjitsu, does exist in certain styles of other martial arts. James Matesui (sp) a grandmaster in kenpo-jujutsu had made several trips from Hawaii to Japan in the 30 and 40s prior to WW2 and even after. Several of his techniques can be traced to Seiko Fujita. So some ninjitsu exists within that system, and has influenced Ed Parkers Kenpo in minor areas of application.
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The ninja shrouded in mystery bit, is more urban legend if you will then fact. The origional scrolls of both the Iga Ryu and the Koga Ryu are setting in a museum. Ninjitsu has been intigrated into the Japanese Military by Seiko Fujita, the last ninja hired by the Japanese Governement during WW2. Ninjitsu secrecy ended after WW2.
When Fujita and his top students in Ninjutsu died in a car crash in the 1960s, his specific and entire system died with him. However, Fujita was mixing Ninjitsu, with Kenpo-jujutsu, Karate, Judo etc. Some of the masters in other styles he wanted to learned from made a trade off teaching them ninjutsu concepts in the exchange.
So some ninjitsu, does exist in certain styles of other martial arts. James Matesui (sp) a grandmaster in kenpo-jujutsu had made several trips from Hawaii to Japan in the 30 and 40s prior to WW2 and even after. Several of his techniques can be traced to Seiko Fujita. So some ninjitsu exists within that system, and has influenced Ed Parkers Kenpo in minor areas of application.
what school of ninjutsu did or do u practice?
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What makes you say that dude?, according to Sanmyaku, and Bujin issues I have recieved from Hombu Dojo, along with 18 years of seminars and a library of official literature by Hatsumi and Stephen K Hayes, added to various films and tv docs, Dr.Hatsumi
is recognised by the Japanese Govt. as the last surviving authentic Ninja, and as such is regarded as a national treasure!!...........,But I will check with My Shihan later.
Cheers
Hatsumi refuses to allow his scrolls to be varified by the 2 national agencies in Japan which deside, authenticate, and regester an art as koryu. Hatsumi's national treasure status has more to do with his publicity and how much attention/tourism he has gained for the country. Hatsumi does not have any legitimate proof of his ninja linage as he claims, or atleast refuses to allow it to be varified.
Tenshinsho-den Katori Shinto-ryu as bujutsu system contains ninjutsu/ninjitsu within its area of study and has been proven as legitimate. Hatsumi and Togakure ryu have not. It doesn't matter what books he has written, who he taught or what honors have been given to him, Hatsumi as yet has not proven anything thus the legitimate ninjutsu line is a marketing ad.
Thats said, Hatsumi does have a few arts within the Bujinkan which are legitimately bujutsu systems and are rumored over the net to contain ninjutsu. As for the ninjutsu stuff, I am likewise willing accept him as having a claim to a ninjutsu linage and tradition. Which makes his claim justified, even though the 6 samurai schools are proven and the 3 ninja are not. Hatsumi also heads the largest ninjitsu organization in the world.
I was taught Omoto Ryu Ninjutsu, which was origionally transported to Canada after WW2. The system itself has changed with each person who teaches it, as we are incourage to adapt and perfect the art its in a constant state of change. Allot of those who first started teaching the art back in the 60s called it jujutsu, because of the repuation ninjutsu had; ninja are terrorists, assassin, murders etc.
I've also trained in the Bujinkan for a while as well, and left because it was... Well its just say I left.
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