ninjitsu basic moves?

[sirdarksol]

Hatsumi-san's status as a practitioner of ninjutsu is also not at discussion here. Another very interesting topic, and I would love to see it in a separate thread, but we've pretty much trashed this one, so let's see if we can drag it back on course.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by sirdarksol

Hatsumi-san's status as a practitioner of ninjutsu is also not at discussion here. Another very interesting topic, and I would love to see it in a separate thread, but we've pretty much trashed this one, so let's see if we can drag it back on course.

Personally discussing Hatsumi serves no purpose there are facts, which can't be disputed and there is the reality that he is considered the authentic ninjutsu source even though he has not shown any proof to indipendant sources. Course he has the legitimate right to say no, which I respect as well.

Back on topic however,

One unique factor of Ninjutsu is the use of distraction methods in combat, these various in several ways and closely bare a resemblence to some styles of kung-fu. Another interesting concept is the idea of a techniques fulfilling two purposes.

[Shinobi_Kokujin]

Originally Posted by Draven

I was taught Omoto Ryu Ninjutsu, which was origionally transported to Canada after WW2. The system itself has changed with each person who teaches it, as we are incourage to adapt and perfect the art its in a constant state of change. Allot of those who first started teaching the art back in the 60s called it jujutsu, because of the repuation ninjutsu had; ninja are terrorists, assassin, murders etc.

I've also trained in the Bujinkan for a while as well, and left because it was... Well its just say I left.

hehe i have a good idea why u left bujinkan. Omoto-ryu? cool
i was wondering what kinda school u did . it seems like its an adaptable system similar to Robert Bussey's

[Shirindo]

Just to stick my oar in.....

Why are you all trying to find 'unique' ninjutsu techniques?

This is not what he asked for. All he asked for were some foundation techniques found in ninjutsu. Of course there will be cross-overs between various styles; just how many 'unique' techniques do you know of in your style? Are you sure?

Am now removing my oar

[Draven]

Originally Posted by Shinobi_Kokujin

hehe i have a good idea why u left bujinkan. Omoto-ryu? cool
i was wondering what kinda school u did . it seems like its an adaptable system similar to Robert Bussey's

Similar but not the same, as what Bussey does. In all honesty, I think Bussey was one of the best things to come out of the Bujin., their is another guy I forget his name, the first western student of Hatsumi, his is from Isreal. Who does the same thing as Bussey but flies the Bujinkan flag to attract more people.

When I got to learning Omoto Ryu, the system had already progressed. When it was used in Japan its members with military, even yakuza connections, adapted it to function in the modern world of machine guns, pistols and ready made explosives. So the two men, one an American and other Japanese-Canadian, who taught me incourage progression.

As it was explained to me, ninja were experts at the unorthadox. They had firearms before anyone else in Japan, not the black powerder muskets that killed to samurai culture. But one time, bamboo hand-cannons that fired small bolts, throwing spikes to handfuls of small rocks like buck shot. Not good for stealth, but when out numbered it came in handy.

I call what I teach Gen Tora Ryu (Black Tiger School) Ninjitsu, the black tiger thing is a personal meaning

[Rob-C-C]

Dudes, as Sirdaksol said, the guy asked for some pointers on basic Ninjutsu moves, Well everything each of us has said since that point has been added to, or influenced if you like by subsequent responses, and all are legitimate, valid bonafide points, this is the recipe for healthy debate, it is also the way that each of our disciplines were adapted to suit their enviroment.
But isnt the actual bare bones of it all simply that whatever method you use, or style etc. that you study, they are without exception all just different ways of acheiving the same goal,.which is the art of staying alive, and keeping your family and community safe.
Whats more as Bruce Lee said " a kick is just a kick,and a punch is just a punch" , and unless there is a species somewhere in the universe that will show us a new way, (Coz even the basic level organisms attack and or defend). each and every one of us, will keep on doing the same things , just in a different way,.. or if you prefer philosophic Tangentism, We all walk the same path, but in different shoes!.
This applies to every aspect,event,and decision ever made, even those yet to be, it is so simple yet amazingly complicated, we cannot comprehend it.

[47MartialMan]

Basic ninja move;

"Ninja Vanish!"...........................

[shidoshi]

Originally Posted by kangaroo

what are some basic or none basic moves in this fighting style,and how do you perform them?confused:

Sorry to dissapoint you mate but youre not going to learn much from Ninja books. Like any martial art, youve GOT to get to the dojo; there are so many little things that you could do wrrong that you'd just be wasting your time.
Example: wrist lock, these are actually very easy to escape if not performed right. In Ninjutsu we actually learn to twist the other way and put a good wristlock onto the muppett that doesnt know what he's doing (I actually demonstrated this to a Policeman friend a few years ago ha ha )

Anyway, please dont listen to people who tell you the basics of Ninjutsu are cartwheels and blowguns that's BS.

Basics of Ninjutsu are :

1. Stances (first to learn is 'Ichimonji', a nice deep stance)

2. Ukemi (how to hit the floor after being thrown or whatever)

3. Basic punches and blocks.

Like all the OLD martial arts there aren't that many kicks, loads of kicks, blocks etc were invented in the martial arts after Japan came to peace and the x warriors had little to do. Many became very 'professor like' and advanced the simplest kicks into mawashi-geri's etc that we see today.
The point blank fact is that a Samurai/Ninja had weapons to fight with and unarmed combat was secondary. The ninja did learn a bit more unarmed than the Samurai but not loooooads like we see today (today we have the luxury of most of our opponenets in life being unarmed!).

If you want to read Ninja books / movies check out my blog :

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by shidoshi

Sorry to dissapoint you mate but youre not going to learn much from Ninja books. Like any martial art, youve GOT to get to the dojo; there are so many little things that you could do wrrong that you'd just be wasting your time.
Example: wrist lock, these are actually very easy to escape if not performed right. In Ninjutsu we actually learn to twist the other way and put a good wristlock onto the muppett that doesnt know what he's doing (I actually demonstrated this to a Policeman friend a few years ago ha ha )

Anyway, please dont listen to people who tell you the basics of Ninjutsu are cartwheels and blowguns that's BS.

Basics of Ninjutsu are :

1. Stances (first to learn is 'Ichimonji', a nice deep stance)

2. Ukemi (how to hit the floor after being thrown or whatever)

3. Basic punches and blocks.

Like all the OLD martial arts there aren't that many kicks, loads of kicks, blocks etc were invented in the martial arts after Japan came to peace and the x warriors had little to do. Many became very 'professor like' and advanced the simplest kicks into mawashi-geri's etc that we see today.
The point blank fact is that a Samurai/Ninja had weapons to fight with and unarmed combat was secondary. The ninja did learn a bit more unarmed than the Samurai but not loooooads like we see today (today we have the luxury of most of our opponenets in life being unarmed!).

If you want to read Ninja books / movies check out my blog :

Indeed, Ninjutsu had some grand joint locks to apply and learn to escape as well.

[shidoshi]

Wow I just went from white belt to orange belt (on this forum) in less than an hour ... cooo !!!

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by shidoshi

Wow I just went from white belt to orange belt (on this forum) in less than an hour ... cooo !!!

I dont remember when I was a orange belt...seems so long ago

[shidoshi]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

I dont remember when I was a orange belt...seems so long ago

Last time I was an ornage blet was in 1987 when I was doing Karate!

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by shidoshi

Last time I was an ornage blet was in 1987 when I was doing Karate!

For me, the first time was in 1974