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Old 02-13-2008, 09:01 AM   #406 (permalink)

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Most anything could be used to make a suppressor. BUT... I think that if the time came for a stealth fighter to whip out a gun (which, mind you is not the kind of sniper rifle we are used to today) then the situation is pretty much stealthless at that point.
Good point; however, I thought the ninja would rather leap out of sight than to kill aimlessly?
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Until the 1800 gun powder producted allot of smoke, the "ninja shotgun" as it where filled two purposes one it hit a small area and was disposible. Two, the smoke obscured vision and flash blinded a person at night. So even if the "buck shot" didn't stop you, you were dazed.

Also when guns became more common in Japan the ninja were the first snipers. Hitting someone at 200 yards away is tough now and is the record of this era for them. Now we shoot well beyond that range with modern guns and sights.



Only the blood, liver and kideies of the blowfish are poisonious, & i think the gonads. So if you drain the blood or do not cut deeply you can get the surface muscle without killing yourself. But, its rather difficult and only master chiefs will prepare it.
Do you know how the ninja pepared these firearms?
Also...
Do you think the blowfish meat is worth the trouble?
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Good point; however, I thought the ninja would rather leap out of sight than to kill aimlessly?
It depends on the situation... Sometimes yes and sometimes no.

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Also...?
Do you think the blowfish meat is worth the trouble?
Don't know never ate it, but it might be.
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Also when guns became more common in Japan the ninja were the first snipers. Hitting someone at 200 yards away is tough now and is the record of this era for them. Now we shoot well beyond that range with modern guns and sights.
I'm sorry, I cant seem to beleieve that ninjas can be accurate with muzzleloaders at 200 yards
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I'm sorry, I cant seem to beleieve that ninjas can be accurate with muzzleloaders at 200 yards
I must agree. Ninja though they may be, these firearms were only makeshift and I strongly doubt they had the quality to warrant such accuracy.
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200 yards is a long distance, even for the modern soldier who is in trasining. Not all become marksmen/experts. Only a few.
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200 yards is a long distance, even for the modern soldier who is in trasining. Not all become marksmen/experts. Only a few.
And yet, there is still the misconception that ninja were masters of pretty much everything.
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took a while for me to come back. been hopping in an out of duty missions...cant wait till this stuff is over.

but i dunno how to put it with the masters of everything lol.

but as far as warfare goes ninja like other guerilla units, and the militaries of other cultures were well versed in many areas of combat and wasnt limited to stealthy or "sneaky" tactics

the fire-arms part of ninjutsu is kayaku-jutsu. this area also covers explosives for demolition/distraction, chemistry, poisons etc. as times progressed an firearms came updated kayaku-jutsu also adapted with the updates

one of the reasons why ninja had this vast knowledge of warfare skills is from the influences of skills from other cultures that came to Japan such as Chinese, Indian, eastern European, and southeastern Asia added with the innovations of the locals


the misconception is the idea based on media depictions from both Japan an the West of the ninja just being limited to certain areas of combat..such as stealth an sneaking around. but like Draven has posted a couple times, the combat an warfare skills go alot deeper than that.
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took a while for me to come back. been hopping in an out of duty missions...cant wait till this stuff is over.

but i dunno how to put it with the masters of everything lol.

but as far as warfare goes ninja like other guerilla units, and the militaries of other cultures were well versed in many areas of combat and wasnt limited to stealthy or "sneaky" tactics

the fire-arms part of ninjutsu is kayaku-jutsu. this area also covers explosives for demolition/distraction, chemistry, poisons etc. as times progressed an firearms came updated kayaku-jutsu also adapted with the updates

one of the reasons why ninja had this vast knowledge of warfare skills is from the influences of skills from other cultures that came to Japan such as Chinese, Indian, eastern European, and southeastern Asia added with the innovations of the locals


the misconception is the idea based on media depictions from both Japan an the West of the ninja just being limited to certain areas of combat..such as stealth an sneaking around. but like Draven has posted a couple times, the combat an warfare skills go alot deeper than that.
And the ninja's appearance and choice of apparel would vary according to the requirements imposed by circumstance?
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200 yards is a long distance, even for the modern soldier who is in trasining. Not all become marksmen/experts. Only a few.
Two things...

First, the modern US soldier trains to hit a human sized target at 300 meters with a peep sight. You can hit a human sized target (center mass at 500 meters) with same site. Though it requires allot of skill. A Romanian AK47 is sighted via a leaf site to hit an area target at 1000 meter for the purpose of suppressive fire. Modern fire arms have no serious limitation on range,except human ability.

Two, using an older version of the musket loader an American went to england and hit a bull's eye on an archery target from 300 meters away. The rare 200 yard shot, came from a "ninja" who was a low ranking samurai & was useing a Dutch musket (not the improvised bamboo shotguns mentioned earlier). At that range I also believe the round injured but did not kill.
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Makes since, the shinobi-gi origionally was a kabuki stage hander's suit. It was flat black, where looked more like char coal gray after a few washings. In the snow a white suit hides you better, and in a city your just another peasant farmer. Adaptation is the key to survival in any military science...
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First, the modern US soldier trains to hit a human sized target at 300 meters with a peep sight. You can hit a human sized target (center mass at 500 meters) with same site. Though it requires allot of skill. A Romanian AK47 is sighted via a leaf site to hit an area target at 1000 meter for the purpose of suppressive fire. Modern fire arms have no serious limitation on range,except human ability.

Two, using an older version of the musket loader an American went to england and hit a bull's eye on an archery target from 300 meters away. The rare 200 yard shot, came from a "ninja" who was a low ranking samurai & was useing a Dutch musket (not the improvised bamboo shotguns mentioned earlier). At that range I also believe the round injured but did not kill.
Rare shot from a rare individual.

I dont consider the AK as a Assault Rifle.
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