Is there a belt system in Ninjutsu

[Berador]

I'm terribly sorry that the forum got clogged in this way, Complete. For that, you have my apologies.

On another note, i have heard (i'm not certain though) that some schools use the same beltsystem as they do in Aikido (i think its ;white, black, and nothing else). Does anybody know if that's just a rumour, or if it is true (since i haven't heard of this before)??

I think everyone needs to stop spending so much time on the internet.

Berador seems to be never off it, likewise with the Bullshido people.

He made some questionable boasts on the internet, they want to see evidence of his claims and his training history.

Berador seems to be a member of about 100 internet web forums and bullshido seem to keep following him wherever he goes. Both are as bad as each other for wasting so much of their life away in front of a computer screen.

All of this aside though, the only thing that will end all this is if Berador shows the evidence that the bullshido guys want. The fact that he continually doesnt leads people to think he is a liar.

No matter which side you look at it from - "he is a bull****ter he has not shown the evidence" or "he is not a bull****ter he doesnt have to prove himself to anyone".

Until he admits "yes I made that stuff up" or "here is my proof, read it and weep" he is going to be surrounded with shame. Sad, but true - like a rapist who hasnt been proven guilty, that sort of thing...

The real problem is that the Bullshido nerds, who often attempt to cloak their defamatory trolling in guises of fairness (yet whose facades are easily seen through due to their lack of ability to control the amount of insults they dispense at their chosen targets of harassment), monitor and stalk every forum where ideas are discussed which they disagree with.

If Berador had gone to bullshido and made some claims, since nobody there knows who he is, it might be OK to ask for proof in response.

But he did not - he made posts on a forum to people who know him and communicate privately with him, and the Bullshido cyberstalkers took that from that context to their context and ran with it. It's analagous to a stranger (a nerdy, scrawny, forlorn, inept stranger) eavesdropping on a private conversation amongst friends and then butting in and responding to everything said aggressively and demanding proof of everything said.

There is no burden of proof on anyone to provide citations and forensic evidence for everything they say on the internet, especially in the context of a discussion between friends on a forum which Bullshido geeks had already targeted months ago for humiliation and destruction (check their archives). It only amounts to harassment, and cannot be defended, nor does it warrant a civil responce.

And your comparison of Berador to a rapist is lowly and honourless, and reflects your character and intentions in posting here.

People people people if you are going to bash something lets get the facts right.

Just like Berador, and other pple, members of Bullshido are also members of other forums as well, matter of fact Berador is a member of Bullshido. Members of Bullshido are also members of the forum in which Berador originally posted his claims, some were members long before Berador came to it. I speculate he only did it there because he figured the kids would believe him on face value and not ask for proof just like other forums are doing now. I don't see is wrong about asking for proof for anyone claiming to be a "World Champion" especially in a NHB event. Which leads back to Bullshidos main mission. Exposing Frauds, Liars, and Delusioned in the martial arts community. So yes people are going to be pissed off for being exposed. Tough. If they were honest in the first place then they wouldn't have that problem.

One thing Bullshido has over the majority of boards out there is that they keep their members honest. You will not find their members making boast that are not backed up. Throwdowns are a way to keep people honest. If you think that all the members are just scrawny kids that suck at martial arts then you a badly mistaken. The great thing about it is that they are not going to hide behind some flimsy excuses they would meet and are willing to test each other skills. That says alot since most people on marital art boards boast but are not willing to back it up. So before calling anyone cowards I recommend you try to step up yourself. Bullshido doesn't censor, except for extreme cases, and anyone is welcome. I'm pretty sure some of you will come up with some excuse about not having to prove anything, which is fine, but don't be upset that there are people out there who are willing to ask and present proof.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all been said before, and you geeks as always fail to grasp the point because in truth (admit it) you are really only interested in targeting this individual and causing his public downfall. Only then will you be satisfied.

Let's get the most important thing straight: Berador to my knowledge has never posted anything on Bullyshido. So what you really mean to say isn't that Bullyshido keeps "its" members honest, but rather attempts to act as the thought police for the entire martial arts community extant on the Internet.

It has already been explained to you trolls, time and time again, what the problem is with stalking individuals and harassing them when you have no relationship to them aside from your obsessive targeting and NetCop attitudes. I do not come to your home and question the claims your parents make about how lovely a kid you are, because that is not my business to interfere in. You geeks do not offer any respect to anyone that does not conform to your dictates of what is and is not acceptable, and as the "mrlee" situation demonstrated even in the face of calm reason, politeness and intelligent defense you will NEVER back down. As the Shaolin-Do debacle illustrated, you will NEVER admit defeat even when you provoke others and get beat down in response. You are honourless fools, phony-tough geeks who release their rage and frustration from their real world situations by trolling and stalking anyone they can find on the net -- and most especially those people who are far, far away from them, so as to make any sort of responce difficult.

I never said that all the members of Bullshido are scrawny geeks who suck at MA. I also said that some of them were fat dudes, please re-read. And there are some exceptions, such as JFS USA, a person who Bullyshido attempted the above-described character assassination routine on... up until the point where the man scared you little geeks all into submissive acceptance. There are other good apples as well, but all in all you're a rotten bunch.

And you're mostly teenagers. And scrawny. The video page doesn't lie. What would be the point in anyone "pulling a JFS" or "pulling a Shaolin-Do" and beating your asses at a Throwdown? I want your respect and acceptance just as much as I want the Mafia's respect and acceptance: not at all. You're geeks, you're trolls, and you disgrace the MA community with your continued childish antics, stalking, harassment and poor manners in general.

Find some hobbies. Get girlfriends. Anything to take your mind off your Berador obsession. He isn't your friend and you have no business continuing to harass this gentleman. Get it through your coke-bottle glasses.

Pointless and redundant defense of berador's integrity in the MA community. But thank you for stopping by and don't forget your medications.

Originally posted by Guest@Nov 23 2005, 08:27 AM
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all been said before, and you geeks as always fail to grasp the point because in truth (admit it) you are really only interested in targeting this individual and causing his public downfall. Only then will you be satisfied.

Let's get the most important thing straight: Berador to my knowledge has never posted anything on Bullyshido. So what you really mean to say isn't that Bullyshido keeps "its" members honest, but rather attempts to act as the thought police for the entire martial arts community extant on the Internet.

It has already been explained to you trolls, time and time again, what the problem is with stalking individuals and harassing them when you have no relationship to them aside from your obsessive targeting and NetCop attitudes. I do not come to your home and question the claims your parents make about how lovely a kid you are, because that is not my business to interfere in. You geeks do not offer any respect to anyone that does not conform to your dictates of what is and is not acceptable, and as the "mrlee" situation demonstrated even in the face of calm reason, politeness and intelligent defense you will NEVER back down. As the Shaolin-Do debacle illustrated, you will NEVER admit defeat even when you provoke others and get beat down in response. You are honourless fools, phony-tough geeks who release their rage and frustration from their real world situations by trolling and stalking anyone they can find on the net -- and most especially those people who are far, far away from them, so as to make any sort of responce difficult.

I never said that all the members of Bullshido are scrawny geeks who suck at MA. I also said that some of them were fat dudes, please re-read. And there are some exceptions, such as JFS USA, a person who Bullyshido attempted the above-described character assassination routine on... up until the point where the man scared you little geeks all into submissive acceptance. There are other good apples as well, but all in all you're a rotten bunch.

And you're mostly teenagers. And scrawny. The video page doesn't lie. What would be the point in anyone "pulling a JFS" or "pulling a Shaolin-Do" and beating your asses at a Throwdown? I want your respect and acceptance just as much as I want the Mafia's respect and acceptance: not at all. You're geeks, you're trolls, and you disgrace the MA community with your continued childish antics, stalking, harassment and poor manners in general.

Find some hobbies. Get girlfriends. Anything to take your mind off your Berador obsession. He isn't your friend and you have no business continuing to harass this gentleman. Get it through your coke-bottle glasses.

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Your support of Berador also shows your character and intentions of posting here. Thank you and Arigato ! Don't forget your medications.

Originally posted by Guest@Nov 23 2005, 05:59 AM
The real problem is that the Bullshido nerds, who often attempt to cloak their defamatory trolling in guises of fairness (yet whose facades are easily seen through due to their lack of ability to control the amount of insults they dispense at their chosen targets of harassment), monitor and stalk every forum where ideas are discussed which they disagree with.

If Berador had gone to bullshido and made some claims, since nobody there knows who he is, it might be OK to ask for proof in response.

But he did not - he made posts on a forum to people who know him and communicate privately with him, and the Bullshido cyberstalkers took that from that context to their context and ran with it. It's analagous to a stranger (a nerdy, scrawny, forlorn, inept stranger) eavesdropping on a private conversation amongst friends and then butting in and responding to everything said aggressively and demanding proof of everything said.

There is no burden of proof on anyone to provide citations and forensic evidence for everything they say on the internet, especially in the context of a discussion between friends on a forum which Bullshido geeks had already targeted months ago for humiliation and destruction (check their archives). It only amounts to harassment, and cannot be defended, nor does it warrant a civil responce.

And your comparison of Berador to a rapist is lowly and honourless, and reflects your character and intentions in posting here.

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Let's get the most important thing straight: Berador to my knowledge has never posted anything on Bullyshido.

Regertably your knowledge is wrong on this.

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http://www.bullshido.net/forums/member.php?u=8320

A simple search would have cleared that up.

So what you really mean to say isn't that Bullyshido keeps "its" members honest, but rather attempts to act as the thought police for the entire martial arts community extant on the Internet.

That is correct except Bullshido does reach out to the real world. As to date Bullshido has been the subject of two magazine articles, one in Inside Kung Fu. Bullhido wasn't elected the thought police but we do have a right to speak out about things the members are all part of the martial art community. We're the Penn and Teller of the martial arts world, just not as flamboyant.

It has already been explained to you trolls, time and time again, what the problem is with stalking individuals and harassing them when you have no relationship to them aside from your obsessive targeting and NetCop attitudes.

Bullshido does have a relationship with Berador. He has been a member since march and as shown was even lurking today and he joined a forum that Bullshido members were a member off long before he was, myself included. So your idea that there is no relationship is false in this case. I will admit that some members are overzealous in their pursuit but sometimes it is warranted. You can debate that but in the end it doesn't really matter.

JFS USA, a person who Bullyshido attempted the above-described character assassination routine on... up until the point where the man scared you little geeks all into submissive acceptance. There are other good apples as well, but all in all you're a rotten bunch.

Again you knowledge is wrong. If you really paid attention you would know that JFS was a member and even organizing a Throwdown way before the flames started. Basicly JFS was having fun and people fell for it. Notice he is a very respected member and he has taken his lumps at the hand of other members. Matter of fact JFS USA and I are going to try and spend New Years together before I head off to Iraq. So pretty much you only have half the story.


I coudl continue pointing out the errors in your posts but that would be futile. You wouldn't learn, much like Berador hasn't. I really don't care if anyone like Bullshido or not but it does have its purpose and many more promonent people support it for its mission, even though it gets a little muddied at times. The seeds have been planted and that same will be done for any true BS artist.

Are you people defending Berador capable of reading? The PRESIDENT of the ICMAUA said there were no NHB fights. He is not a member of the Bullshido conspiracy is he? Also, Berador claims to have beaten up 2 Bullshido members who came after him. Funny how he hasn't given any names. And you keep attacking people for their ages. I personally find it beyond sad that a 30-year old man is making up fight stories.

[complete]

OK.

Too many annoymous posts here. I've disabled guest from posting without creating a profile first. This way, everybody will know who's who.

[NinjaMaster]

Wow, I haven't been here for a few days and looks like I missed a major party. Why such much negativity? Seems like the posts have very little to do with martial arts. Wonder how many of these posters actually do train and follow the principals and codes of their respective martial arts.

[Tang Soo Guy]

Originally posted by Rick Sanchez@Nov 21 2005, 03:47 AM
Well, they are all the pigment of Leo "Fraud" Clausen pigments of phsychotic dillusional dreams.

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This wouldn't be the Rick Sanchez who taught JKD back in the late 80's in a small town in AL, would it?

[Itazuki]

Originally Posted by complete

Thanks Berador for the great information.

That's a lot of belts......

I always thought Ninjitsu was the art of assasin. When would you wear these bright colored belts when you are trying to be stealth?

In Ninjutsu, one becomes a "ninja" once they reach the rank of 'Genin', or Black belt. Anyone under the rank of Genin is considered as a rookie and wouldnt be sent on any missions.
I am the rank of Yellow belt, purple stripe; but when I go on training missions (sounds childish but its to practise my stealth, hiding and climbing) I just wear a black military belt.

[BlackDragon]

Wow, interesting thread! This is better than the Soap Opras I can't believe I took all that time to read the hole thing

[zanshindofighter1]

good i am glad guests arent aloud to post complete.