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Was ninjutsu invented as a killing art?
If so, why do ninjutsu schools today avoid teaching people about the ninja and only focus on the self-defense and the "running away" part of combat?
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it was developed as an art specializing in unconventional warfare, guerilla tactics, and strategy in addition to self defence. ninjutsu is the umbrella term for over 18 skill sets that cover various areas of combat/ warfare.
some skill sets are applicable, some not so applicable in this era but still practiced for knowledge and traditional/ history's sake.
in general
different schools have thier particular training curriculums and focus on certain areas more so than others
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Hatsumi Sensei:
"Never stop moving. If you stop moving,you give your opponents openings and you may be killed. If you stop moving, what you are doing merely becomes a technique, not Taijutsu"
Shaka Zulu:
"A man chosen to wield life and death on the battlefield must be an artist, if he isn't, he is simply a murderer."
Probably just because ninjas are in less demand nowadays. My Hwa Rang Do instructor just happens to wield a blackbelt in ninjitsu and he knows some interesting (and scary) stuff. Unless you are an actual ninja, bred for political assasinations, and the responsibility of silent killing, i'd prefer you learn the watered-down self-defense Ninjitsu as an average student.
Besides, how would pirates survive if we had a whole world of stealth-murdering machines running around?
I don't know about that. Super deadly ninja techniques and one hit knockouts would be highly valued in MMA competitions, not to mention military, law enforcement and security groups.
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Originally Posted by HwaRangDude
Probably just because ninjas are in less demand nowadays. My Hwa Rang Do instructor just happens to wield a blackbelt in ninjitsu and he knows some interesting (and scary) stuff. Unless you are an actual ninja, bred for political assasinations, and the responsibility of silent killing, i'd prefer you learn the watered-down self-defense Ninjitsu as an average student.
Besides, how would pirates survive if we had a whole world of stealth-murdering machines running around?
what school of ninjutsu is your instructor from, im wondering cause some of the statements sound cliche and sho kosugi-ish.
if a school focuses more on self defense that doesnt make it watered down
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Hatsumi Sensei:
"Never stop moving. If you stop moving,you give your opponents openings and you may be killed. If you stop moving, what you are doing merely becomes a technique, not Taijutsu"
Shaka Zulu:
"A man chosen to wield life and death on the battlefield must be an artist, if he isn't, he is simply a murderer."
he hasnt even begun to show me, but he's 70 years old and he can still move so fast that i cant see him.
by watered-down, i mean you dont teach famed "ninja-death moves" i.e. killing techniques to a yellow belt. I suppose every technique in a martial art could be considered a potential killing technique, but those designed for specific insta-kill purposes... should be best kept a secret to the high level blacks.
And Chapel, I really don't think that the UFC would appreciate a ninja coming into the octagon and killing another fighter. And as far as law enforcement, they have to be very careful about when lethal force is justafied. Teaching an incredibly deadly technique to a large group of people that an instructor doesnt know doesnt sound like a great idea, even if it is military or the police.
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he hasnt even begun to show me, but he's 70 years old and he can still move so fast that i cant see him.
by watered-down, i mean you dont teach famed "ninja-death moves" i.e. killing techniques to a yellow belt. I suppose every technique in a martial art could be considered a potential killing technique, but those designed for specific insta-kill purposes... should be best kept a secret to the high level blacks.
And Chapel, I really don't think that the UFC would appreciate a ninja coming into the octagon and killing another fighter. And as far as law enforcement, they have to be very careful about when lethal force is justafied. Teaching an incredibly deadly technique to a large group of people that an instructor doesnt know doesnt sound like a great idea, even if it is military or the police.
not showing you but yet ?ok, seems wierd. its not like its exclusive, if anything alot of the techniques done in Hwarangdo and Kuksulwon look similar to both Iga and Koka (koga) ninjutsu
there are no insta-kill magic death touch techniques. there are techniques that can have dangerous results if applied in a certain way such as skeletal structure/ bone breaking/ joint manipulation for grappling or striking due to what degree of conditioning a practioner may use on thier hands an feet.
but thats not exclusive. most every art has that potential.
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Hatsumi Sensei:
"Never stop moving. If you stop moving,you give your opponents openings and you may be killed. If you stop moving, what you are doing merely becomes a technique, not Taijutsu"
Shaka Zulu:
"A man chosen to wield life and death on the battlefield must be an artist, if he isn't, he is simply a murderer."
And Chapel, I really don't think that the UFC would appreciate a ninja coming into the octagon and killing another fighter. And as far as law enforcement, they have to be very careful about when lethal force is justafied. Teaching an incredibly deadly technique to a large group of people that an instructor doesnt know doesnt sound like a great idea, even if it is military or the police.
First, I think it would be foolish to believe that a lethal technique cannot be used in a non-lethal manner. Otherwise, how would someone be able to practice the technique without going on something of a murderous rampage? For every other martial art there are rules regarding the use of techniques against each other so that people don't get killed (such as letting go when someone passes out from a choke, or stopping a fight when an opponent is KO'd).
Second, there IS demand for these kinds of techniques from lots of areas. Rather, it would seem that people in the art would simply prefer not to teach it. Even giving the benefit of the doubt that the reason for not teaching the techniques is out of responsibility (the same kind that many martial arts use when they teach "self defense, not fighting") and not because these techniques simply don't work, there is still a massive number of people who would want to know the techniques. Even if we agree that MMA guys and law enforcement wouldn't be interested because of legality, special forces (modern day ninjas) around the world would still be interested in these kinds of techniques. Ninjas with skills like these are very much in high demand.
Rather, they would be if they really had secret death touches.
there was a cool fight science video on ninjitsu. the guy did this big hyped-up "ninja death punch" to a dummy's solar plexus and they took readings and found it to be lethal. Duh! it's a punch to the solar plexus! if a big, strong Hwa Rang Do blue belt decked me in the sternum, i would probably cease to breathe as my heart got bruised, then i would die. It doesnt take a full-fledged ninja to do that.
But if there IS a secret death touch or something out there, police and mma guys probably shouldnt be taught it for various "its-not-nice-to-kill-people" reasons. However i do agree on special forces... If youre in a war situation where your life and the lives of others are constantly at stake, you should have enough responsibility and discern about when to use it. idk about anyone else, but i personally wouldnt like to have a death touch taught to every police officer in my city.
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