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The guy in the videos went to Japan to find out more about the Ninja and the only scrolls that are actually available to see are from 1618 and they are Shoninki, Ninpiden and the Bansenshukai. He has also found 100 ninja poems and Gunpo (a war manual) and all of these do NOT mention martial arts at all...
What's the bottom line of all of this? Do you keep referring to him purely because you found his vids interesting or are you trying to help boost his site hits and book sales?
What's the bottom line of all of this? Do you keep referring to him purely because you found his vids interesting or are you trying to help boost his site hits and book sales?
I have always been amazed by the ninja since I was a kid and finding true accounts and scrolls about the ninja is a wonderful thing for me, it makes me more interested in finding out about them!
I personally don't care about his site hits or his books sales I care about knowing the truth about the ninja and it's awesome that someone loves them as much as I do. And I also think if people are interested in the ninja there is information out there about them that isn't fabricated...
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Originally Posted by Jaykane77
The guy in the videos went to Japan to find out more about the Ninja and the only scrolls that are actually available to see are from 1618 and they are Shoninki, Ninpiden and the Bansenshukai. He has also found 100 ninja poems and Gunpo (a war manual) and all of these do NOT mention martial arts at all...
who is this guy. is he a historian? did he ever train in any ninjutsu schools?
the shoninki is kishu-ryu ninjutsu which is a branch off of Iga. complete ninjutsu has over 18 sub skill sets which includes hand to hand combat. the kishu-ryu specialized in the skill sets listed in the shoniki.
similar way with the ninpiden and bansenshukai. but the thing is although these texts do no contain fighting arts cause they focus on other skillsets.
the people carrying out those missions using the skillsets in these texts obviously trained in fighting arts being that they came from Iga and Koga families which have various hand to hand combat arts
some of which survived an are listed in the bugei ryuha daijiten.
the dude in the video is only going off of one area instead exploring the whole picture.
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I have always been amazed by the ninja since I was a kid and finding true accounts and scrolls about the ninja is a wonderful thing for me, it makes me more interested in finding out about them!
I personally don't care about his site hits or his books sales I care about knowing the truth about the ninja and it's awesome that someone loves them as much as I do. And I also think if people are interested in the ninja there is information out there about them that isn't fabricated...
I hope I didn't come across as sarcastic in my previous post. It's just that ppl often try "subtle advertising" on forums which turns out to be not so subtle at all if you catch my drift so I thought I'd ask
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who is this guy. is he a historian? did he ever train in any ninjutsu schools?
It seems his name is Antony Cummins:
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Originally Posted by Random Site
Antony John Cummins MA, of the most noble city of Manchester on those haunted shores of England, has a degree in Ancient History and Archaeology and a Masters Degree in Archaeology, both of which were obtained at The Victoria University of Manchester. Antony is a published author, artist and illustrator and still needs a day job. However, he has: lived and trained in Japan, also lived with the Tongo people of Ghana, Africa, sailed the high seas on tall-ships, racing those dignified draughts around Norway and France, and generally enjoyed life to the full.
But this is the only info I could find about him personally and it isn't necessarily a reputable source. Here are two books he wrote and this is his currently under construction website.
[quote=Phyzmatix;135381]I hope I didn't come across as sarcastic in my previous post. It's just that ppl often try "subtle advertising" on forums which turns out to be not so subtle at all if you catch my drift so I thought I'd ask
No not at all, I hope I didn't come across as defensive or agressive :s
It's good to talk about and I don't mind a bit of banter anyway it's all in good fun. I just enjoy information of the ninja anyway.
who is this guy. is he a historian? did he ever train in any ninjutsu schools?
the shoninki is kishu-ryu ninjutsu which is a branch off of Iga. complete ninjutsu has over 18 sub skill sets which includes hand to hand combat. the kishu-ryu specialized in the skill sets listed in the shoniki.
similar way with the ninpiden and bansenshukai. but the thing is although these texts do no contain fighting arts cause they focus on other skillsets.
the people carrying out those missions using the skillsets in these texts obviously trained in fighting arts being that they came from Iga and Koga families which have various hand to hand combat arts
some of which survived an are listed in the bugei ryuha daijiten.
the dude in the video is only going off of one area instead exploring the whole picture.
So in order to fully understand history you have to train in a modern school with no conclusive ties to actuall historical facts?
who is this guy. is he a historian? did he ever train in any ninjutsu schools?
the shoninki is kishu-ryu ninjutsu which is a branch off of Iga. complete ninjutsu has over 18 sub skill sets which includes hand to hand combat. the kishu-ryu specialized in the skill sets listed in the shoniki.
similar way with the ninpiden and bansenshukai. but the thing is although these texts do no contain fighting arts cause they focus on other skillsets.
the people carrying out those missions using the skillsets in these texts obviously trained in fighting arts being that they came from Iga and Koga families which have various hand to hand combat arts
some of which survived an are listed in the bugei ryuha daijiten.
the dude in the video is only going off of one area instead exploring the whole picture.
Have you actually seen and read the scrolls? Where are you getting your info from?
Have you actually seen and read the scrolls? Where are you getting your info from?
In addition, if you have seen some scrolls, can you absolutely and without-a-doubt verify that they weren't contrived and created by someone looking to make a buck off of people desperate to train in ninjutsu?
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ive seen and read the scrolls. im not as strong a history buff as my other fellow counterparts but based on what ive researched and my experience of living and training in Japan and elsewhere i know its not contrived.
im looking at it objectively and not biased. you dont neccessarily have to train at a modern school to fully understand the history portion.
some schools do have historical ties and are acknowledge and recognized by the Japanese government or Royal family or Japanese historians.
but to not have no experience in the art and then act like you know more than someone who trains and studies the history from different texts is the funny part.
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Hatsumi Sensei:
"Never stop moving. If you stop moving,you give your opponents openings and you may be killed. If you stop moving, what you are doing merely becomes a technique, not Taijutsu"
Shaka Zulu:
"A man chosen to wield life and death on the battlefield must be an artist, if he isn't, he is simply a murderer."
ive seen and read the scrolls. im not as strong a history buff as my other fellow counterparts but based on what ive researched and my experience of living and training in Japan and elsewhere i know its not contrived.
im looking at it objectively and not biased. you dont neccessarily have to train at a modern school to fully understand the history portion.
some schools do have historical ties and are acknowledge and recognized by the Japanese government or Royal family or Japanese historians.
but to not have no experience in the art and then act like you know more than someone who trains and studies the history from different texts is the funny part.
I disagree. You cannot take your bias out of the discussion, it's almost impossible. I mean, if you were to be shown proof positive that what you train was made up by some white guy in 1925 would you still train in that art? Would you continue to support what you have learned knowing that you have been lied to about it's history?
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It's not that the art is in question, really, it's just what you've been told about it's history. Which is one of the huge debates in the martial arts community anyway in nearly every art.
Except Judo, maybe.
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