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I read about the Banke Shinobi Training Center in Japan under Jinichi Kawakami and that it is the last "true" source of real ninjutsu. I wanted to know if it is possible to train under this group and if there are other schools of ninjutsu in Japan that one can attend that teach real ninjutsu?
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If you're looking for real Ninjutsu, better off just joining whatever the most elite force in the US Army is these days. For the fighting style however Dr. Hatsummi (did I spell that right?) is considered to be the GM of Ninjutsu.
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Jinichi Kawakami isnt the last true source. i dont really get that line cause he himself said that there no this ninjutsu and that ninjutsu. each ryu has thier method of doing things. he represents Koga Ban,Ishida, and Kimura family line. or "koka" which the more correct spelling.
while he is the curator of a koka/iga ninja museum. he doesnt posses any menkyo kaiden scrolls which names him as soke of his arts. his arts was passed to him by oral transmission which according to researchers lines up with the way other traditions was passed on.
they are still trying to verify his claims on the people he inherited them from though.
but otherwise from that while Kawakami doesnt take personal students currently from what i understand. one can still train with his school if they are interested in his ryu of ninjutsu under one of his senior intstructors.
other schools are Bujinkan under Hatsumi. but if you train Bujinkan in Japan and want 'real' ninjutsu training its better to train with any of his senior Japanese Shihan or the Senior American/ European Shihan who work at the military bases. they will give quality training that can be very rough and demanding but you will have a better understanding
and better technique than most schools in the States and Europe cause alot of them just do thier own thing. the Hombu or main Dojo in Japan is a good place to train sometimes and even take lessons from Hatsumi
but you have to watch out with the crowd you hang out and train with cause theres the Japanophile naruto people and the ones who are just hanging around in the art.
Genbukan under Shoto Tanemura is also a good legit school to train at. Tanemura was a student of Hatsumi and he also is a menkyo kaiden holder of his family's arts which are jujutsu and karate in addition to the ninjutsu or Ninpo as they refer it to. Genbukan training in Japan is very tough and they admittedly tend to have a better quality control, thats one of the problems with the Bujinkan that is currently being cleaned up.
Tenshin Shoden Shinto Ryu is not really a ninjutsu school, its more of a Samurai traditional but they do teach aspects of ninjutsu when you get to the higher ranking. its one of the oldest Koryu schools in Japan and their jujutsu and weapons training is very cool.
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Hey, Bryan these are the links that you are looking for to train with Jinichi Kawakami he isn't the last "authentic" ninja in Japan and there is probably hundreds of them in Japan but they probably don't want to let everyone know about it. (Don't forget ninjas were assassins in Japan and didn't follow the code of Bushido like the samurai did) Think about as this Bryan each clan of the Koga and Iga had 50 clans/ryus under them that is not including other ryus that were under those 50 ryus either so there are probably thousands of ninja descendants in Japan. I'm not going to lie though he's one of the ones from the Japan that gets the most acknowledgment from the Japanese government regarding his Ninjitsu heritage compared to other ones in Japan. He also runs the Iga ryu Ninja Museum in Japan as well so he gots his creditability pretty stacked in his favor but here are the links at the bottom of this message. Also to tell you it ahead of time and his website even states there are no foreign branches of his school you got to go to Japan to learn his style. Check them out and let me know what you think of them.
LOL holy crap it DOES!!!! What is wrong with you people??? When a martial art says anything about fortune telling or exorcisim you run the HELL away from it!
Wow, just wow, these sites are crazy. Check out these FAQs:
Is Ninjutsu a martial art?
Ninjutsu uses psychology, magic, and astrology to influence people, and consists of such knowledge for living as pharmacology, medicine, and astronomy to bring out the highest ability in humans, and uses espionage (intelligence gathering) and strategy activities (strategy to lower the enemy’s ability to fight). There are martial aspects of ninjutsu handed down which employ sticks, ninja stars, and farm implements as means of self-defense, but the image of a fighting, sword-swinging ninja is particular to the world of comic books and movies.
Were ninja really able to disappear?
We often see pictures of ninja holding scrolls, making signs, and disappearing into a cloud of smoke. However, ninja do not become invisible humans. They momentarily misdirect the gaze, and used the human psyche or gaps in their sight to disappear, and that is what these pictures express.
One secret of ninja is to show “lies” as “truth”, and conversely, “truth” as “lies”
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LOL holy crap it DOES!!!! What is wrong with you people??? When a martial art says anything about fortune telling or exorcisim you run the HELL away from it!
It's called LARPing, Tri. Some folks just can't get away from that fantasy of being the black-clad, sword-weilding assassin from Revenge of the Ninja.
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I've seen these websites before, but I was wondering if I could just go to Japan and ask to train under his instructors (assuming I speak Japanese)?
Just like any dojo or gym as long as you have the money to pay for the membership fees and you can go through the training they will accept you. You can look at the Iga Ryu Musuem link that I gave you they cover everything regarding if you want to learn from them I don't know how much 10,000 yen is in American money but if you have the funds to do the training and stay in Japan while you train with him go on ahead and have fun. (Despite what others might say of your goal to learn from him)
Just like any dojo or gym as long as you have the money to pay for the membership fees and you can go through the training they will accept you. You can look at the Iga Ryu Musuem link that I gave you they cover everything regarding if you want to learn from them I don't know how much 10,000 yen is in American money but if you have the funds to do the training and stay in Japan while you train with him go on ahead and have fun. (Despite what others might say of your goal to learn from him)
The dude is a fraud, why would you recommend someone spend money to train with someone who is a fraud? How does that make us bad guys for suggesting he NOT train with a fraud?
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The dude is a fraud, why would you recommend someone spend money to train with someone who is a fraud? How does that make us bad guys for suggesting he NOT train with a fraud?
If that is his goal in life to go and train with him who am I or anybody to tell him any different. If he sees him as a creditable instructor to teach some fighting maneuvers let him do it its his life, his money, and his time to do what he wants with it. Now I'm not going to lie there are instructors that I will never train with and see as fakes like The Human Stun Gun Tom Cameron whoever learns from him in my eyes is wasting their time and will get killed for trying those "touchless knockouts". But there are going to be people who will approve of their training and see benefits from actually learning their style despite the stereotypes and what other stylists tell them. So to prevent a "my style is better than yours" mentality I say if you can find a benefit from studying a certain style that you find interesting and can improve your fight game study it. As the old saying goes knowledge is power and what works for him isn't going to work for me or anyone else. (Like I see no point in studying Capoeira but I know a few people who told me personally that they see Capoeira as a good style to study so its all really personal preference.)
If that is his goal in life to go and train with him who am I or anybody to tell him any different. If he sees him as a creditable instructor to teach some fighting maneuvers let him do it its his life, his money, and his time to do what he wants with it. Now I'm not going to lie there are instructors that I will never train with and see as fakes like The Human Stun Gun Tom Cameron whoever learns from him in my eyes is wasting their time and will get killed for trying those "touchless knockouts". But there are going to be people who will approve of their training and see benefits from actually learning their style despite the stereotypes and what other stylists tell them. So to prevent a "my style is better than yours" mentality I say if you can find a benefit from studying a certain style that you find interesting and can improve your fight game study it. As the old saying goes knowledge is power and what works for him isn't going to work for me or anyone else. (Like I see no point in studying Capoeira but I know a few people who told me personally that they see Capoeira as a good style to study so its all really personal preference.)
Actually, it specifically IS our responsibility to tell someone they shouldn't train with someone who is IN OUR OPINION a fraud. That's pretty much why we're here.
Now, let me comment on the Capoeira statement. I take it that you train Martial Arts for self defense reasons, hence your distaste for Capoeira? This is a completely different conversation. What you're talking about is someone's personal REASON for training, and not everyone trains Martial Arts for self defense. So people studying Capoeira may not be in it for the reasons you are into your training. To be honest, if you're going to say that you are training for self defense I would have something to say about "Combat Tai Chi" and it's effectiveness but that's not what this conversation was about.
This isn't about styles, it's about an instructor. And anyone telling you that they can teach you to be clairovoyant is obviously stealing your money to help fund his opium addiction.
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So if he is a fraud, who would you recommend to study ninjutsu under (other than Hatsumi and the Bujinkan)?
I am no expert in Ninjitsu, so I won't be able to help you much there. There are others here who can provide a better answer.
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and what works for him isn't going to work for me or anyone else. (Like I see no point in studying Capoeira but I know a few people who told me personally that they see Capoeira as a good style to study so its all really personal preference.)
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