capoeira

[kenpodog]

Hi beititol,
Pleased to meet Ya!!

Good lick with whatever training you choose

[Shinobi_Kokujin]

yeah it was us....mostly caribbeans/south americans VS some american street gangs over some dumb prejudice beef

fighting outside on the job corp campus back in '99 open area, grass concrete. guess it would be a different story if we were in a bar or indoors of the dorm

[Chapel]

If the roda only really becomes combat useful when you are very advanced then I think that makes it even closer to other more traditional arts such as Tae Kwon Do. In Tae Kwon Do you really need to know your techniques very well and be able to link them in interesting ways to defend yourself against someone much bigger than you.

I see martial arts do two mutually exclusive things. They either use natural reactions (i.e. Krav Maga) or recondition natural reactions (i.e. Tae Kwon Do).

[N.B]

Originally Posted by Chapel

If the roda only really becomes combat useful when you are very advanced then I think that makes it even closer to other more traditional arts such as Tae Kwon Do. In Tae Kwon Do you really need to know your techniques very well and be able to link them in interesting ways to defend yourself against someone much bigger than you.

I like that, that's a good way of looking at it. Cheers.

[Chapel]

There is a good reason you should reread your posts before hitting submit.

Originally Posted by Chapel

I see martial arts do two mutually exclusive things. They either use natural reactions (i.e. Krav Maga) or recondition natural reactions (i.e. Tae Kwon Do).

I want to flesh this out so people understand it. There are some martial arts that are made with the idea that there is a certain set of natural human reactions that can be used for self-defense. Stepping back and putting your hands up with someone takes a swing at you, for example. These martial arts tend to be considered the self-defense oriented. The counter to this is the martial arts that tend to train in such a way that adds new responses or de-conditions natural responses. For example, shifting your weight back and throwing a front leg kick when someone takes a swing at you. These arts are usually considered traditional arts.

I think the difference then falls down to the Ferrari verses the Honda Fit. Given the same amount of gas, which travels a longer distance? Obviously the Ferrari blows the doors off of the Fit at the starting line, but given enough time the Ferrari runs out of gas and the Fit chugs on by. A self-defense artist will be able to take a traditional artist pretty easily after they have both only been in for a few lessons, but in the long haul, the traditional artist will outstrip the self-defense artist.

Now, this is a comparison of two polar opposite schools. A good school of any style will meet somewhere in the middle (Scion tc?) to give good defense skills right away while slowly unlocking much greater skills later.

[N.B]

Eh, reread posts? Don't worry, I got what you meant. Or did I? Now I'm second guessing myself.
Although one thing I think isn't quite true is the whole traditional outstripping the self defence, becuase I think that depends on the individual art and the individual artist. I think the traditional will catch up to the self defence but who wins is a different matter.

Maybe we should make a new thread about this? What do you think?

[Chapel]

Originally Posted by N.B

Eh, reread posts? Don't worry, I got what you meant. Or did I? Now I'm second guessing myself.
Although one thing I think isn't quite true is the whole traditional outstripping the self defence, becuase I think that depends on the individual art and the individual artist. I think the traditional will catch up to the self defence but who wins is a different matter.

Maybe we should make a new thread about this? What do you think?

Smart man N.B. Go here to continue the discussion.
http://www.martial-forums.com/forums...0272#post30272

Now get back on the topic of Capoeira. (Even though I reference Capoeira in the new thread, haha)

[beibitoi]

Thanks to those who are helping me gain knowledge through this thread. To summarize, I learned that capoeira is really a martial art, but it just looks like a dance. For others, its applicability as a self-defense is not as effective as that of the other martial arts. And that it's applicability depends on the person who practices. That's why a lot suggested that I learn another art after learning capoeira.

I think I will go on with my plan to enrol in a capoeira class. In that way I will have the chance to develop my self into something which capoeira has to offer. I will see to it that I will dedicate part of my time with this.

What are you going to recommend? Angola or Regional? or do I have to choose which to learn?

If time and my health will permit me, then I will enrol in a kickboxing class, or possibly jeet kune do. Probably, after 1 or two years? What do you think? Can capoeira fit with jeet kune do?

Another thing, I intend to go to law school one year from now. Will learning martial arts be a burden to me during my stay in the law school? I mean, when I learn martial arts, i will also join 'sparring'. right? In there, i will possibly be hit many times on my head. Do you know someone who studies/practices law, and at the same time involved in learning martial arts? again, sorry if you find this question stupid. I am giving extra care with my head..

[complete]

You can find more information about capoeira here.

http://www.completemartialarts.com/i...l/capoeira.htm

[beibitoi]

Originally Posted by complete

You can find more information about capoeira here.

http://www.completemartialarts.com/i...l/capoeira.htm

Thanks, i read it.

It was an introduction and the history. But I will try to visit the links attached in there later..

another question, are they going to ask me which I want to learn?
Are they going to ask me if i want to learn angola or regional style?

[Chapel]

Probably, I can't say for sure, the school will have its own style set up. That is the school will decide if you are learning Angola, Regional or somewhere in between. If on the off chance that you do have to make that choice just remember that there is nothing set in stone and you can always switch.

I've been involved with martial arts for a good piece of my life. I really haven't taken enough hits to the head in my life to really effect my intellectual ability (in anyway that I know of), so I would say that you are safe that way. On the other hand, Law School is very time and money intensive. It might boil down to you simply not having enough time to train and study, especially if you have to work. Try it for a bit, but let martial arts be the first thing to cut from your life if need be. Truthfully, it is probably better to be a good lawyer than a good martial artist.

[N.B]

Yeah, usually the school will teach Regional or Angola, or sometimes a mix. I think you should just see what you've got available to you in your local area, because in quite a lot of places (in the U.K anyway) Capoeira Angola schools are hard to find.
Also each school has it's own way of playing Capoeira, the emphasis can be quite different depending on what school you go to, even between two Regional schools or two Angola schools.
Edit: Actually, now that I think of it, Angola, or so I heard so I might be wrong, isn't taught as such, you just sort of watch games and pick it up like that.