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I would like to say that this video does much more to show how the fan is a weapon than the previous one. And this was fairly obvious before the explanation about the steel ribs in the weapon itself. The blocks and the strikes were much more apparent and deliberate even despite the overall increase in speed which sometimes obscures what is actually happening.
will i wanna ask u a question mister guramicmac .
Do u think that this fan would be more effective than a knife in a real fight do u think that it is really effective in hand to hand combat ?
i don't like to seem aggresive but please could we discuss honestly how to fight in real .
i thank u for ur effort and i'd like to be friends .
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I will use Japan as an example, because I know more about its history.
In Japan, there were certain times that a warrior was not allowed to carry his sword. Because of this, many warriors learned to use their fans as weapons. Yes, a sword or knife would be better, but when they weren't allowed, having a fan and knowing how to use it would be exceptionally helpful.
It also may be that there were cultures where a woman was discouraged from carrying/using bladed weapons (this one I don't know about, just hypothesizing), so someone developed a fighting style with a fan.
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with my respect sirdarksol the age u r talkin about has gone nowadays in egyot it is easy to carry a blade and in usa the easist thing is to carry a gun so don't blame me to be hard at him .
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But why must we only learn that which is of immediate, pragmatic use?
Honestly, there's no immediate, pragmatic use for a lot of art. What's the point of the Mona Lisa? What functional purpose does Michalangelo's David serve? Why do I bother to keep four tanks of various tropical and coldwater fish in my house? There's more to this world than immediate, functional purpose. It's one of the things that separates us from many animals (I've seen an orangutang that does beautiful artwork, though, so it doesn't separate us from all animals)
Besides that, there is a purpose. I don't believe in killing in self defense. So that leaves knives and guns out of the picture. Any weapon I learn for self defense is thus going to be bludgeoning or binding, and it is going to involve more precision than force. Personally, I'd choose a cane, but I can see a woman choosing a fan for the exact same reason that I'd choose a cane. I don't need a cane, but I wouldn't mind the strangeness/coolness factor of carrying one. Likewise, my wife could easily adopt a large fan as an accessory to many of her outfits.
I'm not blaming you, nor do I think you're being hard on him. I'm just getting involved in a debate.
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"I don't have the knack of victory at all times. I have only learned how not to miss the right moment." Kenshin Uesugi
"If you confer only with people in your own circle (relatives and friends), their opinions will naturally favor you, rendering them useless." Tsunetomo Yamamoto
"In true dialogue, both sides are willing to change."
Thich Nhat Hanh
If you want a practical use for it: imagine that you are a trained assassin on assignment to kill the president. It might be hard to get a gun near him, but it would be easier to get an obscure weapon like a fan near him.
But why must we only learn that which is of immediate, pragmatic use?
Honestly, there's no immediate, pragmatic use for a lot of art. What's the point of the I? What functional purpose does Michalangelo's David serve? Why do I bother to keep four tanks of various tropical and coldwater fish in my house? There's more to this world than immediate, functional purpose. It's one of the things that separates us from many animals (I've seen an orangutang that does beautiful artwork, though, so it doesn't separate us from all animals)
Besides that, there is a purpose. I don't believe in killing in self defense. So that leaves knives and guns out of the picture. Any weapon I learn for self defense is thus going to be bludgeoning or binding, and it is going to involve more precision than force. Personally, I'd choose a cane, but I can see a woman choosing a fan for the exact same reason that I'd choose a cane. I don't need a cane, but I wouldn't mind the strangeness/coolness factor of carrying one. Likewise, my wife could easily adopt a large fan as an accessory to many of her outfits.
I'm not blaming you, nor do I think you're being hard on him. I'm just getting involved in a debate.
i got ur point sirdarksol
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Originally Posted by Chapel
If you want a practical use for it: imagine that you are a trained assassin on assignment to kill the president. It might be hard to get a gun near him, but it would be easier to get an obscure weapon like a fan near him.
Oh... I guess not.
for me to kill a president i could kill him with my bare hands more than using a weapon like a neck break with a head lock .
and it won't take more than 2 or 3 seconds to kill him in silance with out leaving an only one mark .
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Haha, well it would be quite hard to get that close to the president in the first place, however this is how I see the purpose of the fan. IMHO, the fan when it is folded up is now somewhat of a club, therefore not only are you learning an interesting weapon such as the fan you can now use your knowledge about how to use a blunt object (like a club) in your daily life. I dont know how it is in Egypt, but most people dont go around carrying guns here in the USA. Its more likely they will be carrying a knife.
Anyways, what Im basicly saying is the reason we learn weapons that are not useful RIGHT NOW, is because the knowledge of how to use them can be exchanged for another weapon like them. For example in my Tae Kwon Do classes we learn the "numchuck(s)". Even though no one goes around carrying these, I could easily use a shoe or a pair of shoes in the exact same format. (By holding them by their laces you can make basicly the same weapon) So not all weapons you learn are immediately useful, but they bring more to the table than just themselves... if that makes sense.
Side note: I found this after I posted but they were kind of talking about it in these posts ---> Weapon Realistic Application
Haha, well it would be quite hard to get that close to the president in the first place, however this is how I see the purpose of the fan. IMHO, the fan when it is folded up is now somewhat of a club, therefore not only are you learning an interesting weapon such as the fan you can now use your knowledge about how to use a blunt object (like a club) in your daily life. I dont know how it is in Egypt, but most people dont go around carrying guns here in the USA. Its more likely they will be carrying a knife.
Anyways, what Im basicly saying is the reason we learn weapons that are not useful RIGHT NOW, is because the knowledge of how to use them can be exchanged for another weapon like them. For example in my Tae Kwon Do classes we learn the "numchuck(s)". Even though no one goes around carrying these, I could easily use a shoe or a pair of shoes in the exact same format. (By holding them by their laces you can make basicly the same weapon) So not all weapons you learn are immediately useful, but they bring more to the table than just themselves... if that makes sense.
Side note: I found this after I posted but they were kind of talking about it in these posts ---> Weapon Realistic Application
in egypt we uses nunchucks in fighting it is easy to carry one in egypt . but the jeet kune do uses it in a way and the street fighters uses it in real missy not organized way so they probably could hit themselves and we full attackers uses it in a good way actually we had three ways for nunchucks uses in fighting .
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Kamatuuran Kalijin Video: Fan 2
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