Full Attack Boxing

[kuroitaka]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

I say it over and over. I dont think FA has anything new. It is like others arts who take somethings from others and mix it up thus re-labeling it. The wheel cannot be reivented conceotually. A rose by any other name is still a rose and all are fed manure.

and this satement make me sure that u don't know any thing about what is full attack .
the prob lem is not make a video u'll say the same statement .
we have to face each other to show this with a face 2 face discussion to apply what we would like to apply .

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by kuroitaka

because u haven't any nontelegraphic jabs then u think that all jabs are nontelegraphic but look att the jabs of boxing u'll find the opponent notce that they're coming also in the kumite and sanshou and kickboxing .
i haven't seen any body who do punch like bruce lee did . even the masters of jeet kune do now .
but the karate jab is so telegraphic to us Full Attackers .

and i said we are the first who put this explanition .

How can you say that?

Do you watch boxers?

Do you watch karateka?

Do you watch JKD stylists?

Do you watch Sanshou?

[Chapel]

Now I am interested to see side-by-side a non-telegraphic jab and a regular jab from boxing. I do know that there are two ways of throwing jabs in boxing one sacrificing speed for power (by drawing the hand back to the shoulder first) the other sacrificing power for speed. In either case the jabs can be done from any footing or posture (some have more power than others).

The major problem is the pure speed one is more or less just a distraction as it won't even tickle a decently sized/amped/drunk opponent. So although it is very non-telegraphed, it also doesn't accomplish much.

[47MartialMan]

These non-telegraphic theories/methods are fake-outs....

[Akai Shizuku]

Originally Posted by kuroitaka

because u haven't any nontelegraphic jabs then u think that all jabs are nontelegraphic but look att the jabs of boxing u'll find the opponent notce that they're coming also in the kumite and sanshou and kickboxing .
i haven't seen any body who do punch like bruce lee did . even the masters of jeet kune do now .
but the karate jab is so telegraphic to us Full Attackers .

and i said we are the first who put this explanition .

I, being a karateka, think I can agree with you about karate punches being telegraphic. This is because of the stance; it is somewhat difficult to hold it and keep punches non-telegraphic. My sensei's attacks aren't telegraphic, and I hope to reach that goal. The attacks, when executed (very) properly are non-telegraphic, but it takes alot of practice. I see where you're getting "the karate jab is so telegraphic to us Full Attackers" from. My attacks personally focus more on power and less on speed; for some reason this isn't expected by most of my opponents, and I win. I like how Full Attack takes the theories and explains them openly and in detail, to show what goes on and how to do things right. If I come back to Egypt, I'll see if I can find you guys.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by kuroitaka

the prob lem is not make a video u'll say the same statement .
we have to face each other to show this with a face 2 face discussion to apply what we would like to apply .

The problem, everyone wants to come forth and claim they created a new martial art. Indeed they may have created a new name or a mix, but the inner workings are the same.

People don't put vids on their "new art" because they are affraid it may been seen as nothing new.

The wheel cannot be re-invented -conceptually.......

[kuroitaka]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

How can you say that?

Do you watch boxers?

Do you watch karateka?

Do you watch JKD stylists?

Do you watch Sanshou?

i'd like to say i've done boxing before not even watched them .
i done karate and had many kumite fights . and i when i watch the fights i feel sick of the low techniques they have .
when i watch jeet kune do i respect them because they are the most art that i think cares about real situation and i done jeet kune do for a year .
about sanshou i done kung fu and i got Si dai 2 and i know alot about sanshou they are very telegraohic they justy learn punches and kicks and nothing about how to make an attack .
they are so telegraphic very very very telegraphic .
and the kickboxing too are very telegraphic .
But the jeet kune do is the lesser in here in being telegraphic .


and about not making videos it is because it is hard to translate these information and knowledge it is not our local language in egypt to speak english so to translate an idiom or expression u have to know alot about ur culture to translate it to it .
and i done a video before about the first jab punch but nobody could admited that it was different .
and to prove this u have to be face to face .
and keeping say that we didn't make anything new will make us believe that we didn't .
i got 12 years experiance before FA and i know what i'm talking about .

[kuroitaka]

Originally Posted by Chapel

Now I am interested to see side-by-side a non-telegraphic jab and a regular jab from boxing. I do know that there are two ways of throwing jabs in boxing one sacrificing speed for power (by drawing the hand back to the shoulder first) the other sacrificing power for speed. In either case the jabs can be done from any footing or posture (some have more power than others).

The major problem is the pure speed one is more or less just a distraction as it won't even tickle a decently sized/amped/drunk opponent. So although it is very non-telegraphed, it also doesn't accomplish much.

actually reducing speed make it telegraphic .
about giving speed won't givwe u power it depends on how u'll put ur body weight in the punch and how could u really punch .

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by kuroitaka

i'd like to say i've done boxing before not even watched them .
i done karate and had many kumite fights . and i when i watch the fights i feel sick of the low techniques they have .
when i watch jeet kune do i respect them because they are the most art that i think cares about real situation and i done jeet kune do for a year .
about sanshou i done kung fu and i got Si dai 2 and i know alot about sanshou they are very telegraohic they justy learn punches and kicks and nothing about how to make an attack .
they are so telegraphic very very very telegraphic .
and the kickboxing too are very telegraphic .
But the jeet kune do is the lesser in here in being telegraphic .


and about not making videos it is because it is hard to translate these information and knowledge it is not our local language in egypt to speak english so to translate an idiom or expression u have to know alot about ur culture to translate it to it .
and i done a video before about the first jab punch but nobody could admited that it was different .
and to prove this u have to be face to face .
and keeping say that we didn't make anything new will make us believe that we didn't .
i got 12 years experiance before FA and i know what i'm talking about .

I domt think:

A.) You spend enough time in those arts or

B.) You hadnt a skilled/qualified instructor


Though, I admire your desire to stick with your current one.....

[kuroitaka]

i got brown bulit in karate .
i got sidai 2 in king fu .
about kick boxing and boxing i was one of the best in my teams but at this time i didn't care about medals or competetions .
and if u talking about time .

how many years u have got to learn the Boxing punches ?
how many years u have got to learn punches and kicks in Sanshouu or kickboxing ?
when i entered the boxing Gym it took me 3 weeks to learn the punches and in the next day i began to start fighting .
and in sanshou i learned the punches and kicks and grappling techniques in 3 months .
and in kick boxing it took just 2 weeks because the couch just told me to forgot about the grappling i learnt in sanshou .
and in jeet kunde do the only thing i learned and it was new the theories of jeet kune do and the Wing Tsun .
could u tell me if any one could make it in longer time ?
my problem is that i'm a quick learner so u have to tell me the point not to tell me u have to do this and this to get this while if i just done one move i'll do the same thing .
got me man or not??

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by kuroitaka

i got brown bulit in karate .
i got sidai 2 in king fu .
about kick boxing and boxing i was one of the best in my teams but at this time i didn't care about medals or competetions .
and if u talking about time .

how many years u have got to learn the Boxing punches ?
how many years u have got to learn punches and kicks in Sanshouu or kickboxing ?
when i entered the boxing Gym it took me 3 weeks to learn the punches and in the next day i began to start fighting .
and in sanshou i learned the punches and kicks and grappling techniques in 3 months .
and in kick boxing it took just 2 weeks because the couch just told me to forgot about the grappling i learnt in sanshou .
and in jeet kunde do the only thing i learned and it was new the theories of jeet kune do and the Wing Tsun .
could u tell me if any one could make it in longer time ?
my problem is that i'm a quick learner so u have to tell me the point not to tell me u have to do this and this to get this while if i just done one move i'll do the same thing .
got me man or not??

Well, you have just PROVED your scant time in these arts....

[Akai Shizuku]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Well, you have just PROVED your scant time in these arts....

Considering that Kuroitaka's primary language is Arabic instead of English, I believe he simply is having trouble getting his message across to you. Sadly, I was raised in Canada, so I don't know as much Arabic as I should. I believe he was talking about the time it took him to learn core techniques, rather than the time he spent in those martial arts.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Akai Shizuku

Considering that Kuroitaka's primary language is Arabic instead of English, I believe he simply is having trouble getting his message across to you. Sadly, I was raised in Canada, so I don't know as much Arabic as I should. I believe he was talking about the time it took him to learn core techniques, rather than the time he spent in those martial arts.

Learning core tactics isnt the same as long tern study going for applications of learn skill.

Simply to compare and/or judge something from casual practice, is not just

[Akai Shizuku]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Learning core tactics isnt the same as long tern study going for applications of learn skill.

Simply to compare and/or judge something from casual practice, is not just

I agree with your final statement there, but I do not believe Kuroitaka was revealing how long he has studied in those arts; merely how long it took to firmly grasp core techniques.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Akai Shizuku

I agree with your final statement there, but I do not believe Kuroitaka was revealing how long he has studied in those arts; merely how long it took to firmly grasp core techniques.

Which, is as I keep saying, it isnt enough to say that these telepath telegragh, teletubby, what ever....Advance people in these arts, have many skills that are not so.................