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Old 11-14-2007, 08:10 PM   #46 (permalink)

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Thus the methods/tactics, could never truly new.

The training may different but a punch is still a punch, a kick is still a kick, etc......


The wheel cannot be conceptually re-invented
Yes, but can the wheel not have new designs and innovations? Shiny spinning rims (metaphorically speaking)?
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Yes, but can the wheel not have new designs and innovations? Shiny spinning rims (metaphorically speaking)?
The new designs still doesnt change the conception....

Thus, it may look "good" (to the beholder), but it functions the same. And some of these that look "good" faulter faster than those of simple.
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The new designs still doesnt change the conception....

Thus, it may look "good" (to the beholder), but it functions the same. And some of these that look "good" faulter faster than those of simple.
Quite often, that is true. However, I still think Full Attack Boxing is well-balanced from what I've seen.
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Quite often, that is true. However, I still think Full Attack Boxing is well-balanced from what I've seen.
After two vids- , that's your opinion, not mine....
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when i entered the boxing Gym it took me 3 weeks to learn the punches and in the next day i began to start fighting .
and in sanshou i learned the punches and kicks and grappling techniques in 3 months .
and in kick boxing it took just 2 weeks

And thus my point how he cannot say that any art telegraghs ot not....(which would seem to imply that any cannot "live" up to FA)

To me, BECAUSE he had not spent a lot of time in any art, is why he believes Full Attack is so grand. It is a mixture of arts and perhaps seem to shorten phases that are appealing to him. Which I have doubt and think that the art is not so new, not so inventive, and not so different. The wheel cannot be conceptually re-invented.

Do I intend to bash his art? No.

Do I think its so special and new? No.

Do I think its unique? Yes. As believe every art is.

Do I think he is not studying a real martial art? No. I think he is studying a art that he truly can stay with, learn, and grow. Though, I think any martial artist should understand that one art isn't the answer to all.
truely i must bow to u in respect because u at least have seen that it is effective .
about the boxing and how different it is i'd like to say that really u have to look how they study boxing in Gyms and about kick boxing i said that my master knew that i was learning sanshou so he told me to show him the kicks and the boxes and when he saw that they are right he asked me to forgot the grapling techniques .
i'm going to my faculty now and i promise i'll show the differences between us and boxing the western boxing .
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Why is that?
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I think it is possible for Full Attack to have completely new techniques. Even if it doesn't, it is a new martial art after all, and as such, a new combination of techniques, methods, theories, etc.
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Kuroitaka, as I must make in known, not to you (which I think you understand me), but to others here as well,

Look upon my posts about Full Attack....

It is NEVER my intention to belittle or disrespect you and/or the art.

Since it is next-to-impossible for you or I to travel to each other, having vids on it is more probable.

I give benefit of the doubt as I want to see vids of it.


(As far as tricking and telegrahong, per your example, if you gaze upon my feet, tricking me to look down, will not work on experience people. Simply myself and people I know, if you look away, we are going to take advanatge or be on guard. And, we've have done this and things like this, to set up inexpereince people as well)
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(As far as tricking and telegrahong, per your example, if you gaze upon my feet, tricking me to look down, will not work on experience people. Simply myself and people I know, if you look away, we are going to take advanatge or be on guard. And, we've have done this and things like this, to set up inexpereince people as well)
it is the same here
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Hmmmn...using the words "same here", could depict the issue of nothing be new.....
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what the hell I did not post this:
I've seen a video or two of Full Attack, and I have some news for you. There are things I've seen before, and things I have not seen before. I haven't seen alot, but from what I have seen, there are things both new and old. And remember that Full Attack is a type of boxing. For boxing, there are things here that are completely new. I think Full Attack will contribute significantly to the boxing world in the future. Kuroitaka knows what he's talking about.

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what make you think this? the only way too significantly contribute to an art is by dedicating yourself to an art and focsingon one art which full attack clearly does not plan 2 do.
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I still do not see anything new as an artform, but a promising Science.

I have spent most of my life formulating a Scientific study of fighting. I am pleased to say that the 400 page thesis is soon to be published, which of course means I am limited to what I can say about it incase what I say breaches my copyrights prior to publication. On the other hand, I have never tried to force Eskirmology on anyone.

However, Full Attack Boxing seems to me to be scientifically based, but does not apply a "scientific method" to its reasoning. It is for this reason that I conclude (from what I have seen) that Full Attack boxing is a Martial Art and not a Martial Science.
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what the hell I did not post this:
I've seen a video or two of Full Attack, and I have some news for you. There are things I've seen before, and things I have not seen before. I haven't seen alot, but from what I have seen, there are things both new and old. And remember that Full Attack is a type of boxing. For boxing, there are things here that are completely new. I think Full Attack will contribute significantly to the boxing world in the future. Kuroitaka knows what he's talking about.

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I still do not see anything new as an artform, but a promising Science.

I have spent most of my life formulating a Scientific study of fighting. I am pleased to say that the 400 page thesis is soon to be published, which of course means I am limited to what I can say about it incase what I say breaches my copyrights prior to publication. On the other hand, I have never tried to force Eskirmology on anyone.

However, Full Attack Boxing seems to me to be scientifically based, but does not apply a "scientific method" to its reasoning. It is for this reason that I conclude (from what I have seen) that Full Attack boxing is a Martial Art and not a Martial Science.

Interesting, though it may not be conceptually new..........
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