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Other Martial ArtsDiscuss other martial arts here - such as Capoeira, Savate, Fencing, and Western Martial Arts, etc.
It's a shame to see that racism is still going on in Capoeira. I thought it was a thing of the past. Although I've never heard of anything like that happening anywhere over here. So I only hope that cases like the one you describe are few and far between.
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Ah, Steven Seagull, I bet nobody's thought of that before.
I was training with a guy in Grapevine, TX several years ago.
His name was Adriano Da Silva and was a blue/white/yellow and
his instructor was out of Bahia I think.
It was a small school that trained out of a jiu jitsu school.
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Great to know bout capoeira
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Originally Posted by N.B
I think that theory; 'Capoeira was a martial art disguised as a dance' has really fallen out of favour.
Increasingly I'm hearing (from books and from different teachers) that this theory is now outdated and out of fashion due to evidence which suggests that African slaves in Brazil had many forms of their culture oppressed, including dancing. Therefore, disguising their martial art as a dance would seem to make little sense. Why disguise something outlawed as something else which was also outlawed?
The current belief is that Capoeira was an amalgamation of many forms of African culture, specifically African slave culture. As all forms of cultural expression were oppressed (martial arts, music, dance, acting) slaves would come together in secret underground meetings and practice all the aspects of their culture which were suppressed. Eventually, different elements of these individual things came together (whether this happened naturally or perhaps because the slaves had limited time to gather together is not yet known) to create an early ancestor of the Capoeira Angola we see today.
There you go, that's pretty much I know (for now) on that matter, I can only rely on what I've read, since this research was done by people which much more historical experience and time than me.
So now you know, next time someone says to you "Capoeira was a martial art disguised as a dance" get a wet fish, slap them round the face* and tell them, "well that theory is probably not true because..." etc
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan
There are many other African martial arts far better than a dance one.
I agree based on what ive researched an seen from the African side of my Family.
theres a Martial art from the Hausa tribe called Kwambo foot-fighting this is one of the African arts where capoiera came from.....but its very very watered down from Kwambo
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“You could do this same technique with a knife. Just keep it hidden. Don’t go swinging it around. We’re not yakuza here.”
“Don’t make the other person your opponent. If you do that, you lose your awareness to other people. Taijutsu is not just one on one.”
I agree based on what ive researched an seen from the African side of my Family.
theres a Martial art from the Hausa tribe called Kwambo foot-fighting this is one of the African arts where capoiera came from.....but its very very watered down from Kwambo
Now don't get me wrong, I think African martial arts are very interesting (one of the guys at my capoeira group studies African martial arts), but what makes them better?
Plus, no one knows how much capoeira took from these African martial arts because no one knows if capoeira angola arrived in Brazil fully formed, or if it was mostly developed in Brazil. We also don't know how much it developed once in Brazil, if at all.
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Ah, Steven Seagull, I bet nobody's thought of that before.
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most of the well established African arts are fairly complete systems. they include but not limited to nerve strikes, pressure points, take downs, grappling, & weapons
and in Africa in alot of villiages an cities. if you say your some kind of martial artist. your peers wont just say hey thats great, lets sit down an have a cup of tea an discuss
they say.....ok....show me. basically a challenge if you show your a good fighter cool. if you get your butt kicked then your just a joke not to be taken seriously.
in some neighborhoods, pitt fights, wrestling matches, or other martial arts bouts are used to settle differences such as guy loses his girlfriend to other guy or other kinds of disputes.
being in this kind of enviroment where you have to train realistically and fight is what makes some of these arts better
my capoiera history is kinda shabby......have to check up again
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“You could do this same technique with a knife. Just keep it hidden. Don’t go swinging it around. We’re not yakuza here.”
“Don’t make the other person your opponent. If you do that, you lose your awareness to other people. Taijutsu is not just one on one.”
most of the well established African arts are fairly complete systems. they include but not limited to nerve strikes, pressure points, take downs, grappling, & weapons
and in Africa in alot of villiages an cities. if you say your some kind of martial artist. your peers wont just say hey thats great, lets sit down an have a cup of tea an discuss
they say.....ok....show me. basically a challenge if you show your a good fighter cool. if you get your butt kicked then your just a joke not to be taken seriously.
in some neighborhoods, pitt fights, wrestling matches, or other martial arts bouts are used to settle differences such as guy loses his girlfriend to other guy or other kinds of disputes.
being in this kind of enviroment where you have to train realistically and fight is what makes some of these arts better
my capoiera history is kinda shabby......have to check up again
I don't go around telling people I've a martial artist anyway.
I know it's all subjective, but in my opinion more practical/proven does not make one art better than another, it just makes it more, well, practical.
One of the reasons I love capoeira is because it doesn't have all of this whole 'look at me I'm a fighter' sort of thing (well it does, but it's usually all in good fun) as you described above.
It's got a great sense of energy and fun about it, not the whole 'brutal pit fights' image. Although saying that, it did when it was in the favellas, back when capoeira was played with razor blades and knives.
It would be quite interesting to see a tae kyon vs capoeira match. Although some rules would have to be set methinks...
It's quite interesting to see the difference between the arts, since as far as I know, the basic stance for capoeira (the ginga) you keep your weight forward and rock you weight to your back foot rhythmically, whereas tae kyon you seem to keep your wait back and occasionally rock it forward.
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Ah, Steven Seagull, I bet nobody's thought of that before.
one of my dream matches is too see a capoiera and a tae kyon practioner spar
that would be interesting
Any match between any style, is not a dream as many different factors and the skill within each practitioner would decide the outcome. It is jejune to desire such a match up. MHO
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Any match between any style, is not a dream as many different factors and the skill within each practitioner would decide the outcome. It is jejune to desire such a match up. MHO
Well, I think what you described would necessarily make it only a dream as it is rather impossible to accomplish in real life, but there I go turning this into an English language forum instead of a martial arts forum.
Well, I think what you described would necessarily make it only a dream as it is rather impossible to accomplish in real life, but there I go turning this into an English language forum instead of a martial arts forum.
Therefore to dream is to loose touch of reality...............
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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