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Philosophical DiscussionDo you have a philosophical view to martial arts styles, training, etc. ?
A martial arts student went to his teacher and said earnestly, "I am devoted to studying your martial system. How long will it take me to master it." The teacher's reply was casual, "Ten years." Impatiently, the student answered, "But I want to master it faster than that. I will work very hard. I will practice everyday, ten or more hours a day if I have to. How long will it take then?" The teacher thought for a moment, "20 years."
my interpertation is this: if you are a serious MAist, you will come to realize that it is impossible to master any style. you can always improve. thus the more serious you are, the more you will realize how deep the arts is, thus the longer it will take to "master" it.
the funniest thing about the story is after i read the 10 years comment i got angry thinking any MAist knows you cannot "master" any martial art. so the next comment made me really happy
I have a different reading of it than Disgruntled. It's more of what Shirindo said. I've also heard this story before, and have had time to consider it.
The student in the story has his eyes on his end of the path, rather than the path itself. So, the first time the student asks the teacher, the teacher gives the rote response (which could be accurate, as the story originated in a time and/or place when being a student meant a full time endeavor. In this case, "master" means learning enough to be able to teach, to become a master. At least, that's how I read it.).
The second time, the student proves to the teacher that all he is concerned about is the destination, not the journey. If a student is focused on the end, he will not experience the moments of the journey that add up to be the end, and will have to train longer in order to understand them.
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I have a different reading of it than Disgruntled. It's more of what Shirindo said. I've also heard this story before, and have had time to consider it.
The student in the story has his eyes on his end of the path, rather than the path itself. So, the first time the student asks the teacher, the teacher gives the rote response (which could be accurate, as the story originated in a time and/or place when being a student meant a full time endeavor. In this case, "master" means learning enough to be able to teach, to become a master. At least, that's how I read it.).
The second time, the student proves to the teacher that all he is concerned is the destination, not the journey. If a student is focused on the end, he will not experience the moments of the journey that add up to be the end, and will have to train longer in order to understand them.
I have a different reading of it than Disgruntled. It's more of what Shirindo said. I've also heard this story before, and have had time to consider it.
The student in the story has his eyes on his end of the path, rather than the path itself. So, the first time the student asks the teacher, the teacher gives the rote response (which could be accurate, as the story originated in a time and/or place when being a student meant a full time endeavor. In this case, "master" means learning enough to be able to teach, to become a master. At least, that's how I read it.).
The second time, the student proves to the teacher that all he is concerned about is the destination, not the journey. If a student is focused on the end, he will not experience the moments of the journey that add up to be the end, and will have to train longer in order to understand them.
Or you could interprit it in the literal, it should take a student at a reasonable pace 10 years to master an art. At an accelerated rate however the student will fatigue himself and suffer a slower pace from recovering the damage done and spend an exhaustive 20 years learning to master the same art.
Whats the meaning behind this.
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