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Old 06-03-2008, 03:28 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Do you agree with this statement "if you want to prove your better than someone step in the Octagon and prove it !" (I just did my GCSE History paper thats why it looks like an exam question )
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Do you agree with this statement "if you want to prove your better than someone step in the Octagon and prove it !" (I just did my GCSE History paper thats why it looks like an exam question )
if you want to prove you are a better full contact fighter, than yes. Your style vs theirs, Yes. But if you want to prove you are better at TKD, you need a Tkd match...or bjj, you need to roll..boxing, you need to box...etc.
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Do you agree with this statement "if you want to prove your better than someone step in the Octagon and prove it !" (I just did my GCSE History paper thats why it looks like an exam question )
The Octagon...wasn't that a Chuck Norris film?

The Octagon has rules and a specific method of study.

Unless one comes to train with these rules and methods of study, then no use going there.
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:17 PM   #4 (permalink)

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Eh, I wouldnt say a cage per se but a fight is def necessary.

Also I wouldnt say that the fight has to end with severe trauma for there to be a winner. I think saying "uncle" would suffice to show who is the better fighter.

Although if this is a style vs style thing then the styles that teach weapon techniques kind of win overall.

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if you want to prove you are a better full contact fighter, than yes. Your style vs theirs, Yes. But if you want to prove you are better at TKD, you need a Tkd match...or bjj, you need to roll..boxing, you need to box...etc.
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The Octagon...wasn't that a Chuck Norris film?

The Octagon has rules and a specific method of study.

Unless one comes to train with these rules and methods of study, then no use going there.
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Eh, I wouldnt say a cage per se but a fight is def necessary.

Also I wouldnt say that the fight has to end with severe trauma for there to be a winner. I think saying "uncle" would suffice to show who is the better fighter.

Although if this is a style vs style thing then the styles that teach weapon techniques kind of win overall.

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Old 06-06-2008, 01:10 PM   #6 (permalink)

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LOL. I knew someone would comeout with that one. I'm a desert eagle kind of guy myself
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if you want to prove you are a better full contact fighter, than yes. Your style vs theirs, Yes. But if you want to prove you are better at TKD, you need a Tkd match...or bjj, you need to roll..boxing, you need to box...etc.
Yeah depends purely on your situation, I mean, if you wanted to prove you're a better fighter in every aspect, a FIGHT TO THE DEATH.
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I would be a purponent of bazooka-jitzu.

I would agree with the statement in the context taken by its most likely implied analogy.

How can you test your ability at a fighting/martial art/ related skill without actually using it against another? You can't, or else its just conjecture.

But in the case of the original quote, octogon could just as likely be an alligory for any other form of competition.
If you want to see if you are a better debator, than step on stage,
if you want to see if you can eat more pie than me, than saddle up to the table... so on and so forth.
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I would be a purponent of bazooka-jitzu.

I would agree with the statement in the context taken by its most likely implied analogy.

How can you test your ability at a fighting/martial art/ related skill without actually using it against another? You can't, or else its just conjecture.


But in the case of the original quote, octogon could just as likely be an alligory for any other form of competition.
If you want to see if you are a better debator, than step on stage,
if you want to see if you can eat more pie than me, than saddle up to the table... so on and so forth.
Would something like, how many strikes in a certain amount of time, how accurate of a strike you can perform etc. count?
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Would something like, how many strikes in a certain amount of time, how accurate of a strike you can perform etc. count?
Those are measurements used to gauge how good someone's individual skills are. But they are not a measure of how one will perform when asked to put them all together.

This is true of any sport. Let's look at the NFL Draft process.

Every year, anyone wanted to play in the NFL is put through a Combine where they are asked to perform certain athletic movements in front of prospective team. They are asked to, and judged on things like:

- How fast can you run 40 yards?
- How well can you catch a football on the run?
- How far can you throw a football?
- How well can you stop and turn to catch a football?

These are just examples of the testing. So, based on how well you perform at this the teams try to determine who is good and they basically bid on them.

And ever year there are multiple players who end up being a huge flop! They test well in the combine, but they can't handle playing in the NFL for whatever reason. So at the end of the day, they are not good footbally players.

Same with fighters. How well you look doing bag drills does not mean you will be a good fighter.
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to an extent, but IMO martial arts isnt about proving anything.

at the end of the day all I want to do is defend myself, Ive chosen an instructor that will teach me to do so.

other people choose to compete, like joemo, or triangle, and im sure they are succseful fighters because of it. If thats what makes them happy the so be it.

some people want to get fit.

some want to be able to destroy oppoenets with kicks, others might want to lead a life of deadly throws.

wether you choose to step into tht octgon and fight, it is your chioce, if you truly believe it makes you a better fighter, then do it, there are arguments for and against this fighting and both have merit.

Im know that there ae fighters who have fought in the octagon and fought on the street succsesfully, and I know there are fighters that dont compete but have still defended themselves incredibly well in the street.

theres nothing wrong with fighting in that octagon, but theres nothing wrong with choosing not to.

as for the statement, proving your better than someone else, why bother? I dont want to prove im better than anyone, I only want to be better than myself.
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to an extent, but IMO martial arts isnt about proving anything.

at the end of the day all I want to do is defend myself, Ive chosen an instructor that will teach me to do so.

other people choose to compete, like joemo, or triangle, and im sure they are succseful fighters because of it. If thats what makes them happy the so be it.

some people want to get fit.

some want to be able to destroy oppoenets with kicks, others might want to lead a life of deadly throws.

wether you choose to step into tht octgon and fight, it is your chioce, if you truly believe it makes you a better fighter, then do it, there are arguments for and against this fighting and both have merit.

Im know that there ae fighters who have fought in the octagon and fought on the street succsesfully, and I know there are fighters that dont compete but have still defended themselves incredibly well in the street.

theres nothing wrong with fighting in that octagon, but theres nothing wrong with choosing not to.

as for the statement, proving your better than someone else, why bother? I dont want to prove im better than anyone, I only want to be better than myself.
I agree with this, nice post
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I agree with this, nice post

steady now tri, does it not say in nostradamus' prophecies

'for when ben and triangleformgaurd agree on something, the world will surely end'

lol, jokes.
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steady now tri, does it not say in nostradamus' prophecies

'for when ben and triangleformgaurd agree on something, the world will surely end'

lol, jokes.
I actually think it's in revalations. Right after I clicked submit reply the seas began to boil!

Wait we just agreed again!!!! Damnit the dead are totally rising from the grave tonight
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