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Philosophical DiscussionDo you have a philosophical view to martial arts styles, training, etc. ?
Yes, and Unfortunately, There lies the weakness of organized "religion" It should be to help bring people together, but since everyone claims to hold the ABSOLUTE truth, everyone else in their eyes must be wrong and that is how we end up with so many "holy wars"
Indeed. Most warscwere caused from differences in religious beliefs.
What also is disturbing is that they speak in absolutes. There "definitely" is a heaven, "definitely is a Hell"
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Because people of religion, deal with "absolutes". They have to, that is why it is called "faith".
Atheists deal in absolutes as well "there is no heaven, there is no hell"
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Indeed. Most warscwere caused from differences in religious beliefs.
It's not that simple, there are (almost) always a number of possible reasons for how wars began thoughout history. Which reason(s) were the main cause of an event is hardly ever completely clear cut.
Besides, religion seems to be an excuse of violence, contary to basic principles, but not an reason for violence.
If you got rid of all religions would violence and wars stop? I very much doubt it.
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Atheists deal in absolutes as well "there is no heaven, there is no hell"
For most that I have met it's not so much there is no heaven. many are open to the concept but do not accept it as fact for athe simple reason that there is no proof other than people of cetain religions say so.
For most that I have met it's not so much there is no heaven. many are open to the concept but do not accept it as fact for athe simple reason that there is no proof other than people of cetain religions say so.
I agree with The End here mostly what I have seen it's religious zealots that deal in absolutes, you believe what believe or you go to hell. Well them and the sith.
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This is why I'm kind of glad I don't belong to a church. Instead of relying on religion to learn morals, I've always preferred fables to teach morals. Because fables have a certain ubiased perspective that just feels really good. I'm writting a fable as I speak.
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For most that I have met it's not so much there is no heaven. many are open to the concept but do not accept it as fact for athe simple reason that there is no proof other than people of cetain religions say so.
Your description is more agnostic than atheist.
Most people who claim to be atheist are reall agnostic, not true atheist. A true atheist is rare.
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This is why I'm kind of glad I don't belong to a church. Instead of relying on religion to learn morals, I've always preferred fables to teach morals. Because fables have a certain ubiased perspective that just feels really good. I'm writting a fable as I speak.
Ugh. How do you think most religions start?!?!? Literal translation of an established fable as fact.
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Atheists deal in absolutes as well "there is no heaven, there is no hell"
It's not that simple, there are (almost) always a number of possible reasons for how wars began thoughout history. Which reason(s) were the main cause of an event is hardly ever completely clear cut.
Besides, religion seems to be an excuse of violence, contary to basic principles, but not an reason for violence.
If you got rid of all religions would violence and wars stop? I very much doubt it.
I didn't say ALL wars were caused from differences in religious beliefs.
at he end ofthe day, this is an endless cycle of debate.
regardless no one can prove the existenc or non existance of such higher beings, and beilieving in them doesnt make them real, I much prefere the concept of fighting against such higher beings than trusting them.
Aah, the loss of human identity, i've touched on this subject before. Here's a little short essay I wrote about it a while ago.
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I've never really considered my beliefs part of one religion, and that has always been confusing. Religion is a basis for faith, the most contradicting form of proof in our modern day society, and like a political party is just a compilation of ideas to help people organize what they believe the point of everything is.
The problem with all of this is that the idea of a religion has changed to something other than this. You're forced to be either in a religion or an atheist. Then you can obviously see thee contradiction here. Religion is to faith as political parties are to political ideas. People have lost the ability to have faith in their own ideas, to believe that there is something other than praying to a G-d that has not given any proof of it's (I'm using it to indicate no specific gender) existence in 2000 years! (Islam, 1500 yrs). People no longer realize that faith is a personal issue and that following a book that you're supposed blindly believe will not bring you relief from the fear of nothing after death.
So I guess my personal belief is considered atheism, though i find no point in identifying as an atheist. What is the point in having no faith, no hope for something better, in believing that after life is everlasting nothingness. This goes against a basic human instinct, to be afraid of the unknown, and it is impossible to imagine nothing, so it is the unknown. So, there is no point in believing ultimately in science, for it gives nothing in return. Then what do you do?
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Faith doesn't have to be specific to God or the afterlife.
Faith could be simply defined as believing that something works.
That something could be anything, it doesn't have to apply only to supernatural things. You could have faith in the scientific process, faith in humanity, etc...
The concept of faith is not what is flawed, it's man's ability to rationalize its own fears by USING faith that makes it go wrong. Just like most things.
Guns don't kill people, differences in religion does!
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at he end ofthe day, this is an endless cycle of debate.
regardless no one can prove the existenc or non existance of such higher beings, and beilieving in them doesnt make them real, I much prefere the concept of fighting against such higher beings than trusting them.
Agreed, but Gambatte is on a mission and so this is NEVER going to end.
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at he end ofthe day, this is an endless cycle of debate.
regardless no one can prove the existenc or non existance of such higher beings, and beilieving in them doesnt make them real, I much prefere the concept of fighting against such higher beings than trusting them.
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Aah, the loss of human identity, i've touched on this subject before. Here's a little short essay I wrote about it a while ago.
Indeed. people even put their faith in one-stop pressure points, Dim Mak, Chi, and the like.....
at he end ofthe day, this is an endless cycle of debate.
regardless no one can prove the existenc or non existance of such higher beings, and beilieving in them doesnt make them real, I much prefere the concept of fighting against such higher beings than trusting them.
I don't know. If I met Chuck Norris I would trust him, because I'd rather not fight him.
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