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Philosophical DiscussionDo you have a philosophical view to martial arts styles, training, etc. ?
I know if our society condoles violence, the world would be in a much bigger mess than it is right now, but what exactly is so bad about fighting if two people are willing to settle it physically? I mean I've heard of the term 'verbal self-defence' but I've had some things said to me where I'd much rather have them kick me in the jewels, and having the majority of active board members being male, you know when something is bad if you'd rather be kicked in the jewels. I'm not saying that I headbutt anybody who gets on the wrong side of me (Though I would like to), I just wanted to see your views.
Well, it all depends on your personal views. Of course, ppl who know how to defend themselves will be at the top portion of the food chain in this imaginary world you are envisioning. Self defense is not something that is important to the majority anymore. Everyone seems to think that "I have a gun, I don't need any of that 'karate' crap", or the person who says "Most ciminals have guns. You can't karate chop a bullet." We are in a new era here....We are kind of at an impass in my opinion. On one hand, you have ppl who want their gun....On the other, you have ppl who don't WANT a gun. Which hand are you in? You see, if we allow ppl to just fight and handle their business, then the person who lost, USUALLY comes back with a gun because they know already that they can't physicaly beat the other person. Sad really....Just sad.
Well, it all depends on your personal views. Of course, ppl who know how to defend themselves will be at the top portion of the food chain in this imaginary world you are envisioning. Self defense is not something that is important to the majority anymore. Everyone seems to think that "I have a gun, I don't need any of that 'karate' crap", or the person who says "Most ciminals have guns. You can't karate chop a bullet." We are in a new era here....We are kind of at an impass in my opinion. On one hand, you have ppl who want their gun....On the other, you have ppl who don't WANT a gun. Which hand are you in? You see, if we allow ppl to just fight and handle their business, then the person who lost, USUALLY comes back with a gun because they know already that they can't physicaly beat the other person. Sad really....Just sad.
I'm not really thinking of self defence I don't think (Yes I am just making this up as I go along.) but more, the reason you'd kick somebody out of school for fighting.
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Fighting on the street rarely solves anything. Its one thing to defend yourself from a dumb ass mugger that thinks intimidation is a good weapon, its another to start throwing down with people that say something stupid. It very rarely stops with just the fight. Its amazing how often some stupid beef will escalate to someone getting shot.
Fighting on the street rarely solves anything. Its one thing to defend yourself from a dumb ass mugger that thinks intimidation is a good weapon, its another to start throwing down with people that say something stupid. It very rarely stops with just the fight. Its amazing how often some stupid beef will escalate to someone getting shot.
Taking the escalation factor out, why exactly is it so bad?
Taking the escalation factor out, why exactly is it so bad?
You can't take the escalation out of it. It WILL happen. If one kid gets beat up, he will want revenge. If he wants revenge and can't do it physicaly, then he/she will resort to a gun.
You can't take the escalation out of it. It WILL happen. If one kid gets beat up, he will want revenge. If he wants revenge and can't do it physicaly, then he/she will resort to a gun.
No but what's so frowned upon in initiating the fight? Let's not think about the consequences of escalation FOR NOW.
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Well first off, you can't take the escalation factor out of it. Its part of the deal. You fight its a risk you run.
Even if escalation was not part of the equation, street fighting isn't a bright idea. Fighting is dangerous by its very nature. Why risk your health because someone else said something stupid? Then what do you really sove if you beat down an idiot? Will said idiot all the sudden become smarter because you beat him down? Will his attitude change? Doubtful. Is your viewpoint on things more valid than the person you beat up because you can beat them up? All you prove is that you can beat up an idiot.
Sometimes stuff happens where you must fight or accept being a victim. Fighting because someone has a big mouth does not qualify.
No but what's so frowned upon in initiating the fight? Let's not think about the consequences of escalation FOR NOW.
OK, How about the bullying factor? Is it fair to allow one kid to bully another? That is why ppl try to keep fighting out of schools. Of course, once the one kid gets bullied enough, he eventually resorts to other means to protect him/herself. This would be the escalation part of it.
Because fighting for anything other then self defense or competition is just stupid. It doesn't solve anything. If I nail your girl (which given half a chance ) and you decide to fight me it doesn't un-bang you girl. Worse yet if you lose I just banged your girl and kicked your ass, that's a double whammy bro. So why is it looked at as a bad thing? Because most dumb things are looked at as bad. I like fighting I think it is an ultimate expression of ones self but, I'm not fighting just because I'm a Sox fan and you're a Brewers fan, if it was the sCrUBS then maybe
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Solving problems with fists, and condoning it, is a major step in the wrong direction if you like and appreciate the rights and freedoms outlined in the charters of many modern day societies. There is scant support for a system of honor fighting anymore, and the creation of one would only encourage the type of tyrannical behavior that made serving in the British navy of the 1700's so fearful a thing.
For that matter, the concept of absolute freedom is akin to anarchy, and these are things nobody wants. You can have your cake, but only if you are willing to pay for it.
I know if our society condoles violence, the world would be in a much bigger mess than it is right now, but what exactly is so bad about fighting if two people are willing to settle it physically? I mean I've heard of the term 'verbal self-defence' but I've had some things said to me where I'd much rather have them kick me in the jewels, and having the majority of active board members being male, you know when something is bad if you'd rather be kicked in the jewels. I'm not saying that I headbutt anybody who gets on the wrong side of me (Though I would like to), I just wanted to see your views.
Violence solves allot if you know how and when to use it. Violence is the first option and last choice of intelligent man.
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Violence solves allot if you know how and when to use it. Violence is the first option and last choice of intelligent man.
Very true. Violence can be used to protect more than simply your bodily health; sometimes it is prudent, or even necessary, to fight for more abstract ideals, and you may find times when defending your pride is worth the consequences of physical violence.
Even so, to permit assaults (or even duels) as a norm would be a regression toward a rule-by-might society. In the end, it would be those with the greatest physical prowess, or those with the ability to assemble the strong about themselves, who would assume the highest positions. Such a structure has no business in modern civilization. If your school allowed its students to initiate physical altercations, how would the smaller students fare? What about yourself? The smallest students would be forced into submission by the largest, and gangs would form for protection or retaliation. Not the best environment for education, is it?
If your assumption is that both parties would be required to give consent for the fight, and that structured rules would exist to which the combatants would be required to adhere, then such practices already exist in various forms of sport fighting.
LOL people you are not samurai or ninja or part of some warrior class. You're just normal people like me. Well not like ME per say but, more like some one slightly less cooler and not quite as bad ass as me
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