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Philosophical DiscussionDo you have a philosophical view to martial arts styles, training, etc. ?
Very detailed site, but I don't believe this is a martial art unto itself. It looks more like a philosophy for training in martial arts. JMHO
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Thanks for your opinion although I still consider it to be a martial art personally. It will be interesting to see what others say.
Ps I like the quotes:
"An eye for an eye only blinds the world." - Ghandi
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein
"Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa
I don't think anything can really qualify as a martial art without physical moves, the reason why I think like this is because some martial arts don't need philosophy to be called a martial art, such as wrestling or boxing.
It is a subtle point but there are moves in Shhhhh: they arise naturally from the practitioner's own study and application of the "training" methods-rather than been taught from the outside.
It is a subtle point but there are moves in Shhhhh: they arise naturally from the practitioner's own study and application of the "training" methods-rather than been taught from the outside.
... I don't quite understand, if they are the practitioner's own study, then wouldn't that technically be from the outside? The thing is, script alone will not make a martial art, The Art of War can somewhat be regarded as Martial Scripture, and very popular at that. It is still not martial art. Martial art systems need their own, or even stolen moves, they can not exist on words alone.
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ok i did something stupid and pushed yes before reading it ha ha
so im going to read it and post my answer
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By study I am referring to experimentation and contemplation of particular move possibilities and tactics by selective limitation. Although traditional knowledge can be studied from the outside as well, in Shhhhh the moves develop mainly from the practitioner's own insights that come from body awareness and inner martial wisdom.
For example boxing is a man made sport that limits itself to punches etc. A boxer thus becomes very good at boxing because they focus their efforts in that area.
As a thought experiment the Shhhhh practitioner may imagine a sport with any particular limitations. For example imagine a martial art where only elbow strikes can be used-nothing else.
By practicing exclusively with elbow strikes for a few weeks in an open minded way the practitioner who may have never been taught an elbow strike in his life can become quite good. Actually he or she may discover new moves and effective elbow combinations that a general expert in another martial art might not know.
The limitations selected can be chosen intelligently bearing in mind the practitioner's body type and their current skill set etc etc.
Selecting a particular body part such as elbows is only one area of possible focus. The practitioner could instead choose an enemy target part that they want to gain awareness over.
The practitioner also may choose a particular universal tactic or aspect of their own character to work on.
If we keep with the elbows example:
The human body has only so many basic ways of moving. The practitioner might gently experiment at slow speed exploring the elbow range of movement. This is partly what I mean by trusting in your body's own wisdom.
Then you can try the elbows against heavy bags with more power etc. The key is to keep aware and experiment trying different combinations with an open mind.
Another way of learning is to restrict yourself only to the part that you are working on but getting your sparring partner to try different moves against you in a light spar.
Your elbowing strikes will definitely improve. After a few weeks you move onto another area.
If we were studying a particular tactic we would keep it in mind, look for that tactic being used in nature, in the martial arts and in other areas of life. We would formulate moves and tactics that utilize our increased understanding of that tactic.
We would also study the concepts involved, their opposites and similar tactics. All this will increase your awareness of the tactic.
By focusing exclusively on a particular tactic you will be able to use it yourself more effectively, be able to instantly recognize situations where it can be used effectively AND you will be in a better position to recognize and counter an enemy trying to use it against you.
By study I am referring to experimentation and contemplation of particular move possibilities and tactics by selective limitation. Although traditional knowledge can be studied from the outside as well, in Shhhhh the moves develop mainly from the practitioner's own insights that come from body awareness and inner martial wisdom.
For example boxing is a man made sport that limits itself to punches etc. A boxer thus becomes very good at boxing because they focus their efforts in that area.
As a thought experiment the Shhhhh practitioner may imagine a sport with any particular limitations. For example imagine a martial art where only elbow strikes can be used-nothing else.
By practicing exclusively with elbow strikes for a few weeks in an open minded way the practitioner who may have never been taught an elbow strike in his life can become quite good. Actually he or she may discover new moves and effective elbow combinations that a general expert in another martial art might not know.
The limitations selected can be chosen intelligently bearing in mind the practitioner's body type and their current skill set etc etc.
Selecting a particular body part such as elbows is only one area of possible focus. The practitioner could instead choose an enemy target part that they want to gain awareness over.
The practitioner also may choose a particular universal tactic or aspect of their own character to work on.
If we keep with the elbows example:
The human body has only so many basic ways of moving. The practitioner might gently experiment at slow speed exploring the elbow range of movement. This is partly what I mean by trusting in your body's own wisdom.
Then you can try the elbows against heavy bags with more power etc. The key is to keep aware and experiment trying different combinations with an open mind.
Another way of learning is to restrict yourself only to the part that you are working on but getting your sparring partner to try different moves against you in a light spar.
Your elbowing strikes will definitely improve. After a few weeks you move onto another area.
If we were studying a particular tactic we would keep it in mind, look for that tactic being used in nature, in the martial arts and in other areas of life. We would formulate moves and tactics that utilize our increased understanding of that tactic.
We would also study the concepts involved, their opposites and similar tactics. All this will increase your awareness of the tactic.
By focusing exclusively on a particular tactic you will be able to use it yourself more effectively, be able to instantly recognize situations where it can be used effectively AND you will be in a better position to recognize and counter an enemy trying to use it against you.
I'm afraid I don't think anything you said qualifies Shhh as a martial art. Without a 'Do this with your leg, do this with your arm', it is not a martial art. It is a concept. Bruce Lee said that Jeet Kune Do was not a martial art, but because he taught moves, people called it a martial art.
Quote:
Shhhhh is a unique martial art that does not teach any particular moves. You can learn it on your own, even if you are in solitary confinement. Is it possible to upgrade your martial prowess even whilst confined to bed? With Shhhhh it is possible.
Above quote, taken from the website.
You can't learn real martial arts on your own. You can learn crap martial arts on your own, but you'll just get beaten up, by people from any background.
By study I am referring to experimentation and contemplation of particular move possibilities and tactics by selective limitation. Although traditional knowledge can be studied from the outside as well, in Shhhhh the moves develop mainly from the practitioner's own insights that come from body awareness and inner martial wisdom.
For example boxing is a man made sport that limits itself to punches etc. A boxer thus becomes very good at boxing because they focus their efforts in that area.
As a thought experiment the Shhhhh practitioner may imagine a sport with any particular limitations. For example imagine a martial art where only elbow strikes can be used-nothing else.
By practicing exclusively with elbow strikes for a few weeks in an open minded way the practitioner who may have never been taught an elbow strike in his life can become quite good. Actually he or she may discover new moves and effective elbow combinations that a general expert in another martial art might not know.
The limitations selected can be chosen intelligently bearing in mind the practitioner's body type and their current skill set etc etc.
Selecting a particular body part such as elbows is only one area of possible focus. The practitioner could instead choose an enemy target part that they want to gain awareness over.
The practitioner also may choose a particular universal tactic or aspect of their own character to work on.
If we keep with the elbows example:
The human body has only so many basic ways of moving. The practitioner might gently experiment at slow speed exploring the elbow range of movement. This is partly what I mean by trusting in your body's own wisdom.
Then you can try the elbows against heavy bags with more power etc. The key is to keep aware and experiment trying different combinations with an open mind.
Another way of learning is to restrict yourself only to the part that you are working on but getting your sparring partner to try different moves against you in a light spar.
Your elbowing strikes will definitely improve. After a few weeks you move onto another area.
If we were studying a particular tactic we would keep it in mind, look for that tactic being used in nature, in the martial arts and in other areas of life. We would formulate moves and tactics that utilize our increased understanding of that tactic.
We would also study the concepts involved, their opposites and similar tactics. All this will increase your awareness of the tactic.
By focusing exclusively on a particular tactic you will be able to use it yourself more effectively, be able to instantly recognize situations where it can be used effectively AND you will be in a better position to recognize and counter an enemy trying to use it against you.
This almost certainly sounds like it has the possibility of being a "martial art" although it seems impossible to quantify to what extent it is "martial" and not just expression of the human body.
A martial art should not be defined by a catalogue of martial movements.
Interesting, but why the name "Shhhhh"?
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I have to agree with others. A martial art has a certian definiton to what it sould be. A martial art study, philsophy, concept, etc., are merely a study form a scholar. And its seems to focus on self teaching, which in many things that deem a phycial application, is not likely.
Besides, the name is too missleading and would open up for unwanted jocularity.
I have to agree with others. A martial art has a certian definiton to what it sould be. A martial art study, philsophy, concept, etc., are merely a study form a scholar. And its seems to focus on self teaching, which in many things that deem a phycial application, is not likely.
Besides, the name is too missleading and would open up for unwanted jocularity.
The name could cause jocularity, I warrant you that.
However, perhaps you have heard of the obscure practice of Kotodama. As esoteric as it sounds, it was of course the basis of Ueshiba's secret of Aikido. Something which prompted him to learn Esperanto, a language which was universal and was outside of nationality.
I would be interested in why you would not consider tactics and concepts not pertaining to defining martial art.
Why also, would pragmatic self-teaching not define the practice of martial art?
__________________ "Tradition comes from when a master realises a truth, then teaches it to others; his source was the world around him. The tradition begins when students follow the doctrine but fail to see the truth it teaches. Martial Arts, like religion, are now the gospel.
So I assert; Seek not to follow in the footsteps of great men, but seek that which they themselves had sought." Magister, on the Eskirmological Law of Institutionalisation
Is Shhhhh a Martial Art?
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