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Athleticism is a myriad of things...strength, speed (top speed), hand eye coordination, explosiveness (acceleration).
These are the things that form combinations within a person that makes them an athelete in my eyes. Of course there are sport specific talents that are groomed over time, but that is true of all things. Endurance is achieved through training, lots of people can run marathons but arent athletic. Just in good shape. Just as there are lots of people that can lift really heavy things but arent athletic just really strong. Athleticism enables one to cross into several different sporting realms and still compete at a reasonable level.
To take your example. A hockey player would adjust to soccer much better than say a race car driver as a race car driver isnt even used to standing up when performing their activity, let alone moving themselves up and down a field of play. A hockey player would have no problem with the intensity of the matches as his sport encourages direct engagement between competitors. A race car driver would have issues with the direct encounters because in his world direct encounters lead to wrecks or fights.
I could go on.
And yes it is highly subjective. But as far as my rules go they are pretty accurate as to the "sports" they exclude.
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Athleticism is a myriad of things...strength, speed (top speed), hand eye coordination, explosiveness (acceleration).
These are the things that form combinations within a person that makes them an athelete in my eyes. Of course there are sport specific talents that are groomed over time, but that is true of all things. Endurance is achieved through training, lots of people can run marathons but arent athletic. Just in good shape. Just as there are lots of people that can lift really heavy things but arent athletic just really strong. Athleticism enables one to cross into several different sporting realms and still compete at a reasonable level.
To take your example. A hockey player would adjust to soccer much better than say a race car driver as a race car driver isnt even used to standing up when performing their activity, let alone moving themselves up and down a field of play. A hockey player would have no problem with the intensity of the matches as his sport encourages direct engagement between competitors. A race car driver would have issues with the direct encounters because in his world direct encounters lead to wrecks or fights.
I could go on.
But you need those for table tennis, hand eye coordination, reflexes, speed, explosiveness, strength, the lot. And does a sports have to display all these aspects? Soccer (Football), doesn't require hand to eye coordination, unless you're a goalie of course, yet that is one of the most popular sports world wide. And a hockey player won't be able to do much in a F1, whereas a driver could do a good deal better on a hockey field (pitch, court, rink). And who said sportsman had to be good at other sports?
But you need those for table tennis, hand eye coordination, reflexes, speed, explosiveness, strength, the lot. And does a sports have to display all these aspects? Soccer (Football), doesn't require hand to eye coordination, unless you're a goalie of course, yet that is one of the most popular sports world wide. And a hockey player won't be able to do much in a F1, whereas a driver could do a good deal better on a hockey field (pitch, court, rink). And who said sportsman had to be good at other sports?
Did you just say table tennis players are explosive? Strong? If they were they'd be playing tennis not table tennis.
On avg I bet they couldnt crack 5.5 in the 40 yard dash...300 football players are faster than that.
And if the hockey player knew how to drive they would fair much better at racing than a racer at hockey. They may not win but I'm pretty sure they wouldnt leave in a body bag which I'm pretty sure a race car driver (if they can even skate, a much less prominent skill than driving) wouldnt make it through a hockey game without a signifigant injury.
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Even the best of men are capable of the most disgusting evil. Just as the most evil man is capable of showing kindness.
Do not be fooled into thinking your enemy's sin is worse than yours, or that your's is better than his.
Did you just say table tennis players are explosive? Strong? If they were they'd be playing tennis not table tennis.
On avg I bet they couldnt crack 5.5 in the 40 yard dash...300 football players are faster than that.
And if the hockey player knew how to drive they would fair much better at racing than a racer at hockey. They may not win but I'm pretty sure they wouldnt leave in a body bag which I'm pretty sure a race car driver (if they can even skate, a much less prominent skill than driving) wouldnt make it through a hockey game without a signifigant injury.
And who said anything about just straight up running speed, since when did that have anything to do with sports? They have arm speed, and shuffling speed.
And a hockey driver with no experience getting in a F1, will kill himself. No question. Those things go fast, they blow up quick. The only way they won't receive significant injury is that if they went slow... Whereas a group of racers could go a much higher level without killing themselves, but still... What has transition got to do with sports? Just because a sport is different from any other sport, doesn't make it any less of a sport.
And if the hockey player knew how to drive they would fair much better at racing than a racer at hockey. They may not win but I'm pretty sure they wouldnt leave in a body bag which I'm pretty sure a race car driver (if they can even skate, a much less prominent skill than driving) wouldnt make it through a hockey game without a signifigant injury.
Perhaps with some other forms of racing, but have you ever seen a regular person with no experience try and drive and F1 car? It just doesn't happen. Never mind the driving, even getting the thing going is much tougher than you think. They also have to be able to cope with the extreme G forces for roughly 60 laps of a track, which isn't something anyone can do.
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Ah, Steven Seagull, I bet nobody's thought of that before.
And what would a race car driver do after one body check??? C'mon anything a person does in that car they would do to themselves which means they have some control. You cant control another man skating into you at full speed then you hitting the ice.
Sorry guys I gotta give the hockey player the edge in this one.
And NB direct correlations between "sports" dont make them any less of a sport. We have this argument all the time between BJJ and say TKD. Just because I'm awesome and the stand up game and suck at the ground doesnt make my art worthless and vice versa.
However when it comes to why racing isnt a sport. See rule #1, rule #2, and rule #3.
The reason why we started comparing crossovers was to compare how athlecism enables atheletes to cross into multiple sports. The original context was a race car driver and a hockey player, which one could transitition into soccer better, which a hockey player would because he is actually used to moving his own body through the plane of play (not to mention the physical contact of his opponent.
Then somebody started talking about hockey players cant drive F-1 (even though it had nothing to do with nothing) but my rebuttal was that any hockey player that can drive a car has a better chance of surviving a race without a signifigant injury than a race car driver does of surviving a NHL hockey game.
Explain to me how this race car driver is going to protect himself. Its not like he can just skate slow or cower in a corner. A hockey player can simply drive super slow if he wants to because all of the other cars would go around him to protect themselves, worst case scenario he comes in last (unless he himself does something stupid). On the other hand I'm pretty sure the race car driver is most def going to the hospital when his game is over (no matter what tactics he tries to employ).
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Even the best of men are capable of the most disgusting evil. Just as the most evil man is capable of showing kindness.
Do not be fooled into thinking your enemy's sin is worse than yours, or that your's is better than his.
Then somebody started talking about hockey players cant drive F-1 (even though it had nothing to do with nothing) but my rebuttal was that any hockey player that can drive a car has a better chance of surviving a race without a signifigant injury than a race car driver does of surviving a NHL hockey game. Explain to me how this race car driver is going to protect himself. Its not like he can just skate slow or cower in a corner. A hockey player can simply drive super slow if he wants to because all of the other cars would go around him to protect themselves, worst case scenario he comes in last (unless he himself does something stupid). On the other hand I'm pretty sure the race car driver is most def going to the hospital when his game is over (no matter what tactics he tries to employ).
My point was that to be able to compete at any notable level a sportsman has to be far more specialised than you realise. Although I do see your point that footballers/hockey players/rugby players etc have a level of fitness which is generally very high.
As for driving 'really slowly' I doubt anyone who hadn't had years of training would be able to stop the car from stalling off the grid. These car are not like normal cars, they're much harder to drive. In the extremely unlikely event they got the car going first time, he would be disqualified for driving round the track slowly. Not exactly competing is it? So, no, a hockey player could not drive a F1 car.
This has got a bit ridiculous now, although I couldn't resist carrying this topic on.
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Ah, Steven Seagull, I bet nobody's thought of that before.
My point was that to be able to compete at any notable level a sportsman has to be far more specialised than you realise. Although I do see your point that footballers/hockey players/rugby players etc have a level of fitness which is generally very high.
As for driving 'really slowly' I doubt anyone who hadn't had years of training would be able to stop the car from stalling off the grid. These car are not like normal cars, they're much harder to drive. In the extremely unlikely event they got the car going first time, he would be disqualified for driving round the track slowly. Not exactly competing is it? So, no, a hockey player could not drive a F1 car.
This has got a bit ridiculous now, although I couldn't resist carrying this topic on.
Same here, and N.B. has a point, these cars are even hard to start. There's a certain tack to it. And how is the hockey player going to control something he has no experience with? It think you underestimate the complexity of F1 racing. N.B., I've watched enough Top Gear to know something or other about cars.
Same here, and N.B. has a point, these cars are even hard to start. There's a certain tack to it. And how is the hockey player going to control something he has no experience with? It think you underestimate the complexity of F1 racing. N.B., I've watched enough Top Gear to know something or other about cars.
You're thinking of the bit where the Hamster drives an F1 car, you are definately a man of taste.
Gotta love the Hamster, he must be related to Chuck Norris in some way.
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Ah, Steven Seagull, I bet nobody's thought of that before.
You're thinking of the bit where the Hamster drives an F1 car, you are definately a man of taste.
Gotta love the Hamster, he must be related to Chuck Norris in some way.
Yeah and even Hammond, use to handling fast cars, still smashed a fast car, and got screwed in the process.
My point was that in the event of the race his troubles would essentially be self inflicted.
In hockey he would essentially be beaten to a pulp with no say in the matter.
I'd take stalling out over spending a few nights in the ICU.
And the point of that statement is?
Are you trying to say you're only a true sportman if you can survive being directly battered by other sportsmen?
You said a hockey player could adjust much better to racing than a racer to hockey. I proved you wrong, if a driver stalled on the grid every race he wouldn't be competing at all, in fact, if he drove really slowly round the track he wouldn't be competing either, since his goal would not be on competing it would be self preservation. It would be like the F1 driver never even stepping into the rink.
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Ah, Steven Seagull, I bet nobody's thought of that before.
Youre assumptions included just throwing them in the fire.
I initially was assuming that one would show the hockey player how to operate the car just as one would show the racer how to put on the pads and explain the rules. I would atleast have given them a fighting chance. And with a little bit of knowledge youre whole situation is debunked.
And no merely surviving the beating hockey would inflict doesnt make anyone an athelete, my rules already explained what I'm looking for...however the fact that he couldnt survive such a thing is frowned upon.
We could change it to a tennis player and a bowler, what kind of asinine situation would you concoct to prove your point?
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I'll Still Kill!
Even the best of men are capable of the most disgusting evil. Just as the most evil man is capable of showing kindness.
Do not be fooled into thinking your enemy's sin is worse than yours, or that your's is better than his.
What is a sport...? Be warned I'm ranting.
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