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I would just like to say I am also a member of the ATA, I have been my entire martial art career (I am only 18 so I have MUCH to learn and many things to understand) Its really hard to explain the ATA system to someone who hasnt trained in it, if that makes sense. Alot of what I've read from the posts have been basicly right but some have been on the edge of a "kinda". Anywho, just wanted to state that I was in the ATA since redranger seemed alone lol.
Also, I have read somethings about others thinking down upon the ATA (not going into detail because there is no need) but unless you've trained in it for a good while, there is no way for you to truely know what its like, and most of the bad comments are hearsay (rumors). But then again most people take others words for information that they have no idea about.
And thats unfortunate you had a bad experience with the ATA that time. Like most martial arts, there will be good schools and bad schools, so dont judge it by one or two bad experiences. For example at my ATA school I've never experienced anything like you've described and Im sorry again for your "suffering" T-T
^_^ Anywho!! Its good to know there is another ATA member around these forums.
Side Note: Umm someone was saying that the ATA's pattern differs from WTF or ITF, thats true but Im just curious if you use the same pattern, Im assuming, you have the same amount of moves in each form or do you just continue in a circle (using the word circle to indicate going around and around the pattern until all of your "moves" are complete)
Second Side Note: The ATA use's the rectangle pattern in every form. It just depends in which direction and what not. For example in the form I do now I basicly go in a rectangle from thats north to south as well as east to west, unlike a lower rank that would only use a rectangle that goes from north to south... hmm its hard to explain in words but thats basicly our "pattern" I suppose. The higher the rank the more "moves" you have thus it increases the amount of the rectangle(s) you use, so to say. (This is tough to explain in words)
ITF and WTF use a series of forms called Taeguek or Palgwe depending on the school. These are two different sets of 8 forms. For purposes of comparison Taeguek 1 is about as hard as Palgwe 1, so there is no higher or lower set. In my experience, however, Palgwe are usually taught second. All of the Taeguek and Palgwe forms follow the same pattern if you were to view the artist from above and track his movements. I can describe the patter easiest by saying that it is two capital I's stacked on top of each other, or by saying that it is an I with a cross through the middle of it.
Then ATA isnt so different because that pattern is almost exactly like yours, its 2 rectangles stacked like a cross, or stacked on top of each other like you said.
Aww ok I see where your getting the diamond shape from. Ok so in the ATA our forms are more than likely different than yours, as in we dont use the EXACT same ones (I know little about the WTF and ITF but from what I've heard they differ in combos ect...) however, our entire form path consists of 2 squares that over lap (thus you see a diamond) yet, when you were mentioning it I thought you were implying that the ATA used a diamond in all forms. Anyways, (this makes me wish there was a way to draw on these posts) the two over laping squares is where you get the diamond from, but its not all used at once, and thus the entire pattern is never used completely in one form (at least at 1st degree it hasnt been fully used in 1 form yet) So as I described earlier most forms consist of a rectangle type pattern or one that looks like 2 triangles in an hourglass shape. (Sorry I sometimes forget to explain fully because I assume certain things, thats my bad )
Side Note: Lol, this is tough to explain so if I jumbled something just ask and I can try to clarify. Thank you!
Side Note: I guess you can say the diamond shape is the full range of movement in which we are allowed to move in... if that better clarifies it. Meaning all of our forms must move within that "diamond" so in reality the form we do might end up just using part of the diamond thats in the shape of a rectangle and so forth.
Ok, so we are on about the same things. Yeah, your forms come together to create a patter from above where as mine all follow the same pattern from above.
Aww ok yea, I didnt know there were any other types of Tae Kwon Do until I was about a year or more in (I've been in it for about 3yrs atm). I wonder how hard it would be to transfer to another Tae Kwon Do school that was ATA. Btw, which do you do/did Chap?
At my school we sorta do WTF. I say sorta because our head instructor is 9th Dan and, in general, will do whatever he wants despite any kind of existing rules. Perfect example of this attitude in action: we don't actually teach Taeguek 1 or 2 but instead take the basic idea behind them and break them up into several forms. It isn't until you simply wants to know as much about Tae Kwon Do as you can (rank be damned) that you will actually learn those two forms.
Haha, rogues for the win. Thats pretty interesting though, I figured he had to follow certain guidlines or your ranks would mean nothing. I learn something new everyday ^_^
He does follow guidelines, but whenever the guidelines are inconvenient, he ignores them. Basically I think it comes from the fact that he was president of the master's association of NY several years ago and so "who is going to tell me otherwise."
A good example of this is that the instructor just above me got his 3rd Dan after, as he says, "half a test." There wasn't a time when he graded him on everything that he needed to know, he just trained him until he was good enough and then gave him a belt.
Oh thats cool. Yea its good that he changes things that would make it better instead of following something thats like... "well that works but it would work alot better another way... oh well guess we will just follow how it says."
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