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Or really the lack thereof. In my first month of class I have seen no sparring. I have noticed that many of the green belts cant even do hook kicks. I am saddened by the fact that if one of their lady green belts, almost a year of training, were attacked on the street she would be no better off than if she didnt practice TKD at all.
They say they dont let people spar until high yellow so I am waiting until I get to that point before I really flip out. But what is with not giving these people some real skills they can use or atleast get them to use their reflexes.
I am proud to say that in my Ninjutsu dojo the first thing they teach is how to defend yourself. I would be willing to bet that my yellow belts would do much better than some green and blue belts from TKD. I know TKD is a sport but c'mon give the people something.
Any thoughts from the community?
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have to say that it's probably the school you go to, in mine, we spar when the sabon decides we are capable of being hitted with low or no damage, and that could be on your 3rd class, my first spar I was white belt, that was in my 2nd week of training, and as far as I know, hook kicks must be performed in your green belt test.
Not so much the sparring but the self defense. Could your white and yellow belt women and children handle themselves at all if a situation arose in real life? I dont think ours could do very much if anything. They havent even had anyone swing at them, grab them, or even sneak up on them and yell really loud ( not that its a real defensible attack but you get the idea)
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Even the best of men are capable of the most disgusting evil. Just as the most evil man is capable of showing kindness.
Do not be fooled into thinking your enemy's sin is worse than yours, or that your's is better than his.
Ok, you're complaints are all over the place and largely misdirected. I'll respond your your points one at a time.
1. The lack of self defense is the fault of your school if and only if they don't actually teach any kind of defensive situations. In some styles self-defense is more strictly enforced and so you learn a bunch of basic escapes and the like immediately (Hapkido for example), in others you learn individual techniques and it is up to you to decide how to use them (Tae Kwon Do).
2. Sparring is not self-defense.
3. The inability of green belts to do hook kicks is a worthless statement to everyone who posts in this forum. How high are green belts at that school? Do they have to know how to do a hook kick? Have they been shown how to do a hook kick? Are they capable of other kicks that are not hook kicks?
4. In regards to the green belt who was attacked, it is unfair to say that she fared no better than someone who was untrained, unless she, herself, said that it was like she was untrained. In this case, you school should probably focus on self-defense a bit more. Also it is worth considering if she is a good student.
5. Why wait till yellow high belt to 'really flip out'? You seem to have made up your mind already. Largely Tae Kwon Do is not known for using reflexes so much as it is known for going against a person's reflexes.
6. Tae Kwon Do is a martial art before it is a sport and it does give people the ability to defend themselves.
Largely I think your complaints stem from a difference between your old style and your new style. Most of the people in any school are training their first style. They have not built up the coordination and other such skills that make a good martial artist yet. So just because you are better than others, that doesn't mean that these others (and certainly not the whole style) suck. It is possible that you are at a black belt factory, but it is also possible that you are having trouble adapting to a new school and a new style. Figure out which it is and then act accordingly.
I see your points. However I would only flip out if the "competition training" that I was told was available really wasnt. I cant spar yet so I dont really care whether or not people spar.
I am upset that these people dont have any self defense skills because I am sure they believe they do, that false confidence is dangerous. However if you havent even seen a punch actually thrown at you its impossible to say you are even close to being ready. If even its a 25% punch, thats better than nothing.
As far as I'm concerned TKD is a sport, I say that because it seems only athletic people fair well. I just think we move too slowly and lack a curriculum. Quite possibly I have made an error in joining this school, it doesnt matter I can extract what I need as a base and move on after the end of my contract.
The styles are so vastly different that I am really only comparing the self defense aspects, which I have seen them do with the red belts. I just dont understand why you wait until a person is about to become a black belt before you teach them situational self defense. It just baffles me is all.
I in no way meant TKD sucks. I love it. I just wish my school did more to prepare the beginners for real life situations.
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its strange our first 3 belts are all about function and self defense by our third belt you are supposed to be able to defend yourself against someone 1 on 1. after this you get everything bigger and more stylized and harder to do , because of technicality. but then ours is a not a sport i suppose, but even judo which is a sport is taught alot of self defense
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not all TKD schools teach self-defence. if that is the case for your school than don't go there. with the popularity of TKD as a sport many schools around me have been phasing out the self defense.
like chapel said i do not believe that sparring is self defence, thus you do not need to spar until a later belt. and personally i do not think that low belts should learn how to spar (although this greatly depends on the person). because for the most part i find that a lot of lower belts lack control. they will kick harder than necessary, or kick really high/fast, but do it wrong. until a student shows that they understand the basic techniques, and have control they should not be allowed to spar for their safety and others.
that is one thing that really ticked me off about my HKD school, once the students hit about the fourth level out of eleven levels, they think they know everything and show no respect towards how dangerous sparring/self defences can be and how much they really do not know. they would constantly do techniques wrong and think they were great because they could do the technique wrong but high/fast/strong.
I agree with what's been said already, expecially if it concerns TKD. Just before I got ill (turns out now that I had mumps), I went around my local area in South London at tried out a few TKD schools. The difference between each was massive, depending on what they placed their emphasis on.
One of the schools I went to didn't even look like TKD. Because it was a very self defence orientated school we did boxing, knees, elbows, low kicks and grappling. It was like Muay Thai! But it was a TKD school! Another school I went too mostly did forms and I never saw them throw one punch or a kick lower than waist height.
Now, I know my knowleadge of TKD is pretty poor, and I didn't get the chance to go to more than one of each of these lesson, but my limited experience showed me a big difference in these lessons at least.
Is this more to do with the teacher or the federation the school is under?
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the federation plays a factor but it also has to do with the Instructor
Whats going on in Drallig's situation, I blame the instructors and if i was in that school, personally id prolly leave. cause that happened to me before when i was in Virginia.
Like Disgruntled said....alot of the self defense....or the "Art" of taekwondo is being phased out in alot of schools.
they put more emphasis on the sport side of tkd an give people a false sense of security and self defense.
this causes people think that tkd in general is nothing more than a sport.
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One of the schools I went to didn't even look like TKD. Because it was a very self defence orientated school we did boxing, knees, elbows, low kicks and grappling. It was like Muay Thai! But it was a TKD school! Another school I went too mostly did forms and I never saw them throw one punch or a kick lower than waist height.
Sounds like my school. We throw in bits of boxing and Hapkido because all the instructors have training in them (9th Dan is also 7th Dan, 3rd Dan is also 1st Dan, 2nd Dan [me] is approaching 1st Dan). Mostly we have little kids at our low belt levels, so teaching them to keep themselves safe is a high priority. I stress learning how to put blocks and strikes together a lot with them.
If we have a dunce for the day award on this site then I should receive it.
Turns out that we do test for specific self defenses. Last night all we did was self defense. Ah well cant be right all time, but in this case I'm happy I was wrong.
__________________ The name means...No matter how many times you cut him, he will never fall. My soul cutter has no name, it is merely a tool.
I'll Still Kill!
Even the best of men are capable of the most disgusting evil. Just as the most evil man is capable of showing kindness.
Do not be fooled into thinking your enemy's sin is worse than yours, or that your's is better than his.
If we have a dunce for the day award on this site then I should receive it.
Turns out that we do test for specific self defenses. Last night all we did was self defense. Ah well cant be right all time, but in this case I'm happy I was wrong.
Turns out that we do test for specific self defenses. Last night all we did was self defense. Ah well cant be right all time, but in this case I'm happy I was wrong.
yes, about 5 or 10 self defenses each test, depending on the school you go at, even "dirty" sel defenses (using elbows, knees, throws, grapplings, low kicks, etc), some of them may be useless, but some of them are pretty usefull.
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