Tae Kwon Do patterns

[wmks shogun]

Many of the Chang Hon Black Belt forms do not follow the I/H pattern. Some just make a straight vertical line, others horizontal, and at least one is an upsidedown "T" and another sort of makes an upside down "T" with a second perpendicular line in the middle (think + sign and a T together, but upside down). One of the colored belt forms also makes that same symbol/pattern on the floor (;it is remarkably close to the Hanja/Kanji character for "Scholar," as Yul Kuk's (the form's name) interpretation states). I hope that made sense to someone other than my cat.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by RiveraRa

There are other types but the vast majority of lower level forms are that way. Passai is one that comes to mind that isnt. then of course Im speaking from my SBD background which isnt TKD exactly but korean none the less.

Yeah, though Korean, TKD has much roots in JK. Though I wish some would break away from the perceptions

[Chapel]

All of the TaeGuek and Palgwe forms follow what we refer to as 'The Iron I' which is basically like two letter I's stacked on top of each other. The black belt forms are far different. Wen observed from above they follow this pattern:

Koryo - basically 2 upside down letter T's stacked
Kumgang - Resembles a letter W when printed with orthogonal lines ( like this: |_|_| )
Taebek - single letter I
Pyung Won - Horizontal line
Ship Jin - standard addition symbol
Ji Tae - Upside down letter T
Chun Kwon - Letter T
Han Soo - like an asterisk on your keyboard or an X with a vertical line (This is the only Tae Kwon Do form I know of that doesn't use orthogonal movements.)
Ill Yo - resembles a manzi symbol (often confused with a NAZI Swastika, but differs in that Swastikas's legs go clockwise and a Swastika is generally printed at a 45 degree angle to horizontal)

There is so much more to the Tae Kwon Do black belt forms but that would be the subject of another topic... heck... it could probably be its own book.

[47MartialMan]

But on the majority of, are they I/H/T?

[Chapel]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

But on the majority of, are they I/H/T?

All of the TaeGuek and Palgwue forms resemble crossed I's from above, so that is by far the most common pattern.

[47MartialMan]

Do they all wind in the same position as the start?

[Chapel]

For any form that we have you should end in the exact spot you started to do it perfectly. Even with ATA forms I think you are supposed to do that (but I'm not sure as ATA is not my style). For each of the Tae Guek and Palgwe forms you both start and end at lowest part of the I where the main vertical intersects, however not all of the forms follow the same pattern to make the I (for exapmle: Tae Guek 1 starts out going left, then right, Tae Guek 8 starts out going front).

[47MartialMan]

I have seen some form at torunies not ending up in the same position

[Chapel]

I have seen this as well, but this was in the open forms section where a person makes up a routine which usually has a lot of flips and jumps. In all of the Tae Guek series there are only two jump kicks, both in number 8.

[47MartialMan]

Well since these were TKD practitioners at a TKD touney, of which I was a Judge and Ref, having to know TKD rules, it would seem out of place that these people did not do the TKD patterns. As if the patterns cannot stand on their own merit.

[Sensei Tom OBrien]

47MartialMan

It is refreshing to know that you, as a judge can tell when people are just making stuff up and doing it. If the tournament is a TKD tournament then, yes they should be doing TKD Tae Guk or Palgwe, Koryo or Kum Gong they are all great poomse. I hope that they got the scoring they deserved.

Thanks,
Sensei Tom

[Chapel]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Well since these were TKD practitioners at a TKD touney, of which I was a Judge and Ref, having to know TKD rules, it would seem out of place that these people did not do the TKD patterns. As if the patterns cannot stand on their own merit.

At many open martial arts competitions (and even some TKD competitions) they have several events for weaponless forms. The most common I have seen are 'Traditional', 'Open' and 'Music.' In the traditional competition the competitors will do a Tae Guek, etc. form. In the open competition the competitors will do a rehearsed series of techniques that tends to involve advanced kicks and flips not normally found in traditional forms. The music competition is basically the same as the open except there is usually an added element of music that the moves should correspond to.

But... you being a judge and all... I'm sure you knew all this.

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[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Chapel

At many open martial arts competitions (and even some TKD competitions) they have several events for weaponless forms. The most common I have seen are 'Traditional', 'Open' and 'Music.' In the traditional competition the competitors will do a Tae Guek, etc. form. In the open competition the competitors will do a rehearsed series of techniques that tends to involve advanced kicks and flips not normally found in traditional forms. The music competition is basically the same as the open except there is usually an added element of music that the moves should correspond to.

But... you being a judge and all... I'm sure you knew all this.

What really boggle the "participamts minds" was in some torneys, I judged wearing a Kung Fu uniform. When I gae advice on a form, the surprosed look as "how do you know my form".....what we in country lingual call the "deer in the headlight look".

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

What really boggle the "participamts minds" was in some torneys, I judged wearing a Kung Fu uniform. When I gae advice on a form, the surprosed look as "how do you know my form".....what we in country lingual call the "deer in the headlight look".

I've had that same experience...always wanna yell "Bang!" when it happens just to see them jump