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where did you take that from?
or where do you train TKD?
as far as I know, lot of TKD techniques are counter attacks and backwards kicks!
it's not really up on the style as much as it's on the artist and his or her skills and training level, if he or she is rounded or not, or how fast can react.
Well when you are being driven back there is no time to throw a forward kick or even a back kick. You have to move to get in range for a good kick and if your feet are occupied then there is little opportune to get your momentum back. I have lost at least half of my lost fights because of this.
And yes i am a TKD practitioner. Even my friend will agree. As a general principle... moving backwards is not an effective way to
fight.
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Moving backwards is only useful if you have a plan. This strategy won a few points a tournaments for me and I think it might be useful on street as well:
If someone is throwing kicks and moving toward you, you can move away/to the side at the same rate staying just out of kicking distance. Then, once they expect you to move back, you simply throw a kick while they are moving in. Back kick works especially well for this because it can often telegraph as you starting to back up anyway, furthering the illusion.
However... if you are going to be backing up the entire time with out rooting and throwing a solid kick, you don't stand a chance.
what I do to get prepared before a fight or sparring match is a lot of cardio workouts and techniques. I am not oging to know if I am going to be able to take him out in one blow or if he is going to be a challenge, so those are the two major things i work on non stop until i spar or fight.
other than that , know yourself and your limitations and strenghts, and also study TKD if you haven't already, and look more into that style, so you are not surprised with most of the techniques he throws at you
Oh, like do you mean shadow boxing?
I took TKD for a while,(almost black belt i believe) so i think i remember what techniques they use, but i took from a different teacher, so he might have a trick or two up his sleeves...
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I just recently fought a 2nd Degree Black Belt in TKD and here is what I noticed... maybe this will help. (This is different for different people but this is a couple moves I see TKD's do alot) Watch out for inner and outter cresent kicks, these can get through a block and hit you in either the head or the chest (depending on their leg length and which cresent he used) also there are the basic kicks such as front kick, side kick and so forth. However one that is hard to judge is if they start to spin be careful because I found that they can throw multiple kicks while spinning which in turn is hard to hit him cuz of the spin. You probably know most of this but I hope this helps some. Umm another kick is the spinning hook kick... this is very dangerous because you might think your safe that you "blocked" the spin kick but when the hook is released it will smash you in the back of the head. And the last two I see happen alot is the butterfly kick and the very very quick spinning side kick... this hurts quite a bit and is almost too fast to block if your not "watching" for it.
Well that probably sounded like I named off every kick there is... but hopefully it helped some!
TKD uses inner and outer cresents? I never knew that. My tkd teach never taught me those... lol. by spinning and kicking you multiple times, do you mean the 720 kick? BTW what would they use front kicks for? like do you mean front push kicks or like snap kicks? What would they aim for with front kicks? (sides chin)
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TKD uses inner and outer cresents? I never knew that. My tkd teach never taught me those... lol. by spinning and kicking you multiple times, do you mean the 720 kick? BTW what would they use front kicks for? like do you mean front push kicks or like snap kicks? What would they aim for with front kicks? (sides chin)
Wow... your in TKD and your instructor hasnt taught you inner and outter cresents?! That is one of many defensive kick. It can block punches, kicks, and the likes. I dont know what to think about that, what belt are you currently? Umm here is a video that shows some spinning while kicking --- > YouTube - What is Tae Kwon Do? one at 1:35sec, then another one about 3 seconds after it, those are kind of poor examples but it was the first vid I found w/ somethin I was talkin about in it. Sorry when I said front kick I just meant a snap/push front kick basicly to either get some distance on your "charge" or to score a quick point. And its usually a chest hit, but can be a head. Anywho.
yes daveren shadow boxing, i just forgot the word for it at the time
hehe, aren't you glad im here?
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Originally Posted by Majis0422
Wow... your in TKD and your instructor hasnt taught you inner and outter cresents?! That is one of many defensive kick. It can block punches, kicks, and the likes. I dont know what to think about that, what belt are you currently? Umm here is a video that shows some spinning while kicking --- > YouTube - What is Tae Kwon Do? one at 1:35sec, then another one about 3 seconds after it, those are kind of poor examples but it was the first vid I found w/ somethin I was talkin about in it. Sorry when I said front kick I just meant a snap/push front kick basicly to either get some distance on your "charge" or to score a quick point. And its usually a chest hit, but can be a head. Anywho.
oh well, i'm not taking tkd anymore >.> i took it a few years ago, and before i quit, i was 1 belt away from black belt... i was younger, and stupid, and got lazy, so i quit... gah, i wish i got that black belt... -.- well anyways, he did teach axe kicks, which i guess is sorta like cresents, the school(northern+some southern+modern things [forgot the word] against like MMA people) taught me cresents, so i know what a cresent is, sry if i didn't word it correctly. It seems like in the vid, the cresent is more like an axe kick, less like the cresent i learned. and wouldn't it technically be easier to block with hands than cresent? i mean, it probably knock them off balace easier, opening a possible attack, but it'd require alot more speed, and timing than just hands. Am i correct?
*edit* Oh... for the vid, you mean't spinning, not cresents... hehe my bad.
oh well, i'm not taking tkd anymore >.> i took it a few years ago, and before i quit, i was 1 belt away from black belt... i was younger, and stupid, and got lazy, so i quit... gah, i wish i got that black belt... -.- well anyways, he did teach axe kicks, which i guess is sorta like cresents, the school(northern+some southern+modern things [forgot the word] against like MMA people) taught me cresents, so i know what a cresent is, sry if i didn't word it correctly. It seems like in the vid, the cresent is more like an axe kick, less like the cresent i learned. and wouldn't it technically be easier to block with hands than cresent? i mean, it probably knock them off balace easier, opening a possible attack, but it'd require alot more speed, and timing than just hands. Am i correct?
*edit* Oh... for the vid, you mean't spinning, not cresents... hehe my bad.
Eww thats unfortunate you quit. Anyways Im glad you caught your mistake w/ the vid, I was like... What are you talkin about? Anyways, it just depends on the situation when I talk about blocking w/ the cresent kick. Personally I am a very quick person so its not as much of a hastle as it would be for a slow person. Also the cresent can block kicks just as easy if you time it right, then again that goes for any block in general.
Eww thats unfortunate you quit. Anyways Im glad you caught your mistake w/ the vid, I was like... What are you talkin about? Anyways, it just depends on the situation when I talk about blocking w/ the cresent kick. Personally I am a very quick person so its not as much of a hastle as it would be for a slow person. Also the cresent can block kicks just as easy if you time it right, then again that goes for any block in general.
ya, i just guess when you're little(and by little i mean somewhere between 8-10yo i forget=p), you get bored of things easily lol, atleast im back into martial arts!... right? well anyways, i agree with the cresent to leg (lol i saw that on fearless XD), but not so much punches, doesn't seem too practical. but then again, i could be wrong.
where did you take that from?
or where do you train TKD?
as far as I know, lot of TKD techniques are counter attacks and backwards kicks!
it's not really up on the style as much as it's on the artist and his or her skills and training level, if he or she is rounded or not, or how fast can react.
Yeah, my TKD instructor would actuall go backwards to set you up for a cunter attack. It lures you in.
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hehe, aren't you glad im here?
oh well, i'm not taking tkd anymore >.> i took it a few years ago, and before i quit, i was 1 belt away from black belt... i was younger, and stupid, and got lazy, so i quit... gah, i wish i got that black belt... -.- well anyways, he did teach axe kicks, which i guess is sorta like cresents, the school(northern+some southern+modern things [forgot the word] against like MMA people) taught me cresents, so i know what a cresent is, sry if i didn't word it correctly. It seems like in the vid, the cresent is more like an axe kick, less like the cresent i learned. and wouldn't it technically be easier to block with hands than cresent? i mean, it probably knock them off balace easier, opening a possible attack, but it'd require alot more speed, and timing than just hands. Am i correct?
*edit* Oh... for the vid, you mean't spinning, not cresents... hehe my bad.
Sorry, I dont mean to be boorish, but how can you get so close to black belt not practicing and being taught crescent kicks? Why on earth you you stop and not push a little longer to get the rank that you so put in time and dedication?
Could you have been in a McDojo? IMHO
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It could possibly been a McDojo, but from what i remember, it was fairly good. The basics, such as roundhouse and side kicks, learned from that school has help me excel at my current school.
As a younger version of myself, TKD was more or less just there, to have fun. Being younger, i didn't really care what rank i was. I mean i thought it would be awesome to become a black belt, but i thought likewise, that i wouldn't need to prove anything. That 1 belt away was close enough... I became somewhat bored due to the constant repetition, with little twists in each lesson. The drive i had that constantly told me to push my self doing the best that i could sort of left when i was around 8 or 9 after I became injured for a little bit, and quickly became outa shape. after the injury, i didn't like the feeling of being tremendously tired... And that's the reason i quit... Stupid reason, and i believe it was stupid too. I still regret not becoming a black belt.
Nowaday's the drive has come back, and i still don't like the feeling of being tired, but i love the feeling afterwards.
Would Axe kicks be considered close to crescents? I remember we practices those a bunch...
Now i understand that repetition is the foundation of (basically) all learning. too bad i didn't understand that back then...
If i was in the same situation now, i would definitely have gotten that black belt, and go on to atleast 1st, maybe 2nd degree before leaving. perhaps for another style.
Now i live for my classes on Monday and Wednesday.
One more thing, now that i think about it, i don't think it was a McDojo. I remember a bunch of his students, including me, went to competition and did well. Some more so than others. i wasn't the best, but still did fairly well.
What else can i say that i was ignorant back then. I am still ignorant in many things, however, i'm trying to fix that...
i keep thinking im forgetting something... ah well
firstly, be weary with going in close, any good kicker will be able to kick you at punching distance,
Sort of true. I know the movement you are talking about, but it really relies more on simply shifting your weight to out of kicking distance first. Other than that I think it would be hard to make contact at face level with a kick as some other part of his body would get in the way first. I think if anything this illustrates how little there is separating kicking from punching.
It could possibly been a McDojo, but from what i remember, it was fairly good. The basics, such as roundhouse and side kicks, learned from that school has help me excel at my current school.
If it was fairly good, how could you classifiy it as a MCDojo at the same time? If such basics have heloed you, the school has done you a great service. So you ought not to go back and call it a McDojo.
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As a younger version of myself, TKD was more or less just there, to have fun. Being younger, i didn't really care what rank i was. I mean i thought it would be awesome to become a black belt, but i thought likewise, that i wouldn't need to prove anything.
I think you didnt have the problem with rank, but a problem with patience. You did care about rank.
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Originally Posted by daveren
That 1 belt away was close enough... I became somewhat bored due to the constant repetition, with little twists in each lesson. The drive i had that constantly told me to push my self doing the best that i could sort of left when i was around 8 or 9 after I became injured for a little bit, and quickly became outa shape. after the injury, i didn't like the feeling of being tremendously tired... And that's the reason i quit... Stupid reason, and i believe it was stupid too. I still regret not becoming a black belt.
At 8-9, you could not have thought things out so logically. You quit because it was hard work. You gave up-period. What is more interesting is how you got there in the first place.
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Nowaday's the drive has come back, and i still don't like the feeling of being tired, but i love the feeling afterwards.
I guess you are no longer that 8-9 year old. You have matured and you need more maturity.
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Would Axe kicks be considered close to crescents? I remember we practices those a bunch..
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Kicking terminology are different pending who is teaching. From my understanding they are different.
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Now i understand that repetition is the foundation of (basically) all learning. too bad i didn't understand that back then...
How could you? You were 8-9? Then again you make it sound like you knew what was going on. It was up to your teacher to motivate you and up to your parents if they could have you continue. At 8 or 9, much decision wasnt up to you as it was your attitude.
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If i was in the same situation now, i would definitely have gotten that black belt, and go on to atleast 1st, maybe 2nd degree before leaving. perhaps for another style.
And is there some reason you cant go back and get it?
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Now i live for my classes on Monday and Wednesday.
One more thing, now that i think about it, i don't think it was a McDojo. I remember a bunch of his students, including me, went to competition and did well. Some more so than others. i wasn't the best, but still did fairly well.
Kinda answeres your own post. With a little thought, you can obtain a degree of understandong without posting. But on a serious note, posting has you to somewhat think, as with any writing.
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What else can i say that i was ignorant back then. I am still ignorant in many things, however, i'm trying to fix that...
i keep thinking im forgetting something... ah well
Though it may seem adequate and takes upon different difintions, ignorance maybe too harsh of a word. I think a better term is inexperienced.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
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The trick is to get inside, we do have those lethal knockouts at any range, but better to get inside. I just got whupped a few days ago cause my opponent got inside grabbed a leg and then took out the other, then ground work took me to pieces.
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The trick is to get inside, we do have those lethal knockouts at any range, but better to get inside. I just got whupped a few days ago cause my opponent got inside grabbed a leg and then took out the other, then ground work took me to pieces.
So it was a leg takedown?
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lol, atleast im back into martial arts!... right? well anyways, i agree with the cresent to leg (lol i saw that on fearless XD), but not so much punches, doesn't seem too practical. but then again, i could be wrong.
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