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"The efficacy of Taekwondo proved itself during the Vietnam War in battlefields by the Koreans soldiers. The Taekwondo techniques used in the military then were distinctly different from what we know as Taekwondo today. The life or death circumstances in the battlefield honed the techniques. The Guinness Book of Records in the 1970s, defined Taekwondo as Korean Karate used for killing in Vietnam. As the war escalated, the number of instructors sent to Vietnam increased. By 1973, 647 Taekwondo instructors had been sent to Vietnam. The strength of Taekwondo training in Korean soldiers had a negative psychological affect on the Vietcong.
Through Taekwondo training, Korean soldiers had developed excellent physical conditioning, a strong mentality, and superior combat techniques; The leaders of the Vietcong advised their troops to retreat, rather than fight, if they came into contact with Korean soldiers.
Ironically, Taekwondo experienced great growth because of the war. Many foreign soldiers who learned Taekwondo in Vietnam; later invited their instructors to visit them in their native country. Through Vietnam, many instructors gained the opportunity to teach Taekwondo throughout the world."
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Your sources are left to be desired. Actually, I have a hard time believing sources that are TKD biased.....
I can't say I believe this story 100% since I wasn't there and it's possible there may be some exaggeration to make TKD look even better. Still, it's also possible that these did occur as they have said.
Again, I would ask you the same question. How reliable are the sources that you have that made you believe the way you feel about TKD. Were there any biases from their side at all? Even a tiny bit?
I can't say I believe this story 100% since I wasn't there and it's possible there may be some exaggeration to make TKD look even better. Still, it's also possible that these did occur as they have said.
Again, I would ask you the same question. How reliable are the sources that you have that made you believe the way you feel about TKD. Were there any biases from their side at all? Even a tiny bit?
Well, let me reverse your inquisition....
Is it not possible?
Is it a exaggeraion, like many things in history?
How reliable are THE OTHER sources?
And are THEY biased, EVEN a tiny bit?
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Here is the issue. Most schools, at least in America, from my understanding focus mainly on the sport of TKD, which is rather ineffective in real combat. High kicks are easily caught, and since catching is against the rules in sport TKD, the combatants are not used to facing that sort of problem.
Kicks are emphasized above all else, it makes Taekwondo stand out, and of course, the kicks are aimed high because in sport TKD, WTF, which my school is, a head kick is two points. Hand techniques are discouraged in WTF sparring, I can't really speak for ITF's rules since I have never trained in ITF. However, many practitioners that I know are very weak with their hands, defensively, if not both defensively and offensively. They don't get any practice against take downs. The only real hand work they get is in forward and back stance workouts. Most of the punch counters that we have learned are weak at best. This is WTF, mind you.
That said, one can take what TKD teaches and tweak it to make it effective. Kicks should be aimed at the legs, low, or if the opportunity presents itself, then the head is a viable target. Hands need to be worked, defense needs to be solid. Takedowns and counter takedowns should be learned. With proper teaching and proper training, TKD can be very effective, but only if taught in a manner designed to make the techniques effective.
I have had 2 and a half years of training in TKD thus far. I'm leaving it soon because I am tired of the sport aspect.
The new guy that everyone seemed to ignore really hit the nail on the head here. It is important to distinguish between sport and combat Tae Kwon Do. An act which sadly does not happen all that often. What the Korean Army teaches is combat Tae Kwon Do, what we are generally used to seeing is sport Tae Kwon Do.
As for getting into the clinch and fighting from there. I would bet that a TKDer would be at a disadvantage in comparison to a person trained in something like MT. MTers are real big on the knees, a clinch distance technique, where as a knee appears twice in all of the Tae Kwon Do forms (specifically Tae Guek 7 movement 17 and 21). Most of the other joint locks and the like (anything more complex than a simple turn of the wrist) that the average TKDer learns are probably more properly in the realm of Hapkido. In general for someone who learns TKD and only TKD, it is best to get in on them and take away their legs if you are trained at those distances only because it will bring the TKDer out of his element, hopefully causing him or her to start panicking.
You are really insulting the millions of TKD practitioners, as if they were just all suckers for buying into the hype of TKD.
Let's face it. Most people's view of Korea before the Seoul Olympic in 1988 were those pictures from the Korean war and impoverished country. The Olympic ceremony with spectacular TKD demonstration certainly got international attention. Maybe you can call that one "propaganda".
The popularity of TKD before 1988 were due to military servicemen's exposure to it when they were stationed in Korea. Not something the Korean government did.
Shaolin, TKD, and Karate are born from propaganda.
TKD was created to form a unity/nation recovering from Japanese deculturalization.
Evidence of this on how many Korean Instructors had actually studied Japanese Systems, only to rename them.
Shaolin, was finally destroyed from a government that could not stand to see a group or org, that gave sanctuary to opposing rebel forces. Chinese thought is not to "openly" destroy any religion, but it was wise to destroy it from within. It re-gained interest, once a value was attached. It too, became propaganda to give a national pride/propaganda.
Karate, in every effort was to dislodge it from Chinese lineage. Its names was changed to make it Japanese owned out of the sake of propaganda and pride.
The person(s) responsible for all of these developments stemmed from a pride of nationalism and beset a wheel of propganda.
Simply, these governments allow these things for it had great standing within government values.
I had mentioned Korean instructors abroad who created and dislodge themselves from TKD. This is so they can show they are new and unique. They are no longer under a government propaganda "foot hold", so they are at liberty to change.
Hype is the awkward and desperate attempt to convince people that there is worth of something, but dare not scrutinize it from other perspectives. Propaganda is making sure that most opposite perspectives are kept at bay.
Although;
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
To have something in/of propaganda, is not a description of all of it being bad.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Is there any martial arts that's not a propaganda by your definition, then?
I think there are big difference between promotion and propaganda. Promotion of martial arts by Korean government during the Olympic is to "spread" the good image of Korea and TKD. Propaganda is where the government manipulates the truth and tells a big lies for their own benefit.
What lies did Korean government tell the whole world during the Olympics?
Is there any martial arts that's not a propaganda by your definition, then?
I think there are big difference between promotion and propaganda. Promotion of martial arts by Korean government during the Olympic is to "spread" the good image of Korea and TKD. Propaganda is where the government manipulates the truth and tells a big lies for their own benefit.
What lies did Korean government tell the whole world during the Olympics?
Not all propaganda (government)are lies.
Propaganda takes on many forms and definitions.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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