TKD FIGHTERS

[BluewaveTKD]

Idk if there is a thread for this already.....

But A lot of people think TKD don’t know what to do when there opponent is up close. Which Is Defiantly not true ( in most cases)..In the ring. Where Punching is not aloud to the Head area, and barely ever scores A point for a shot to the body. They clinch cause it’s hard to kick when your very close. It gives you a few seconds to breath. Ect.. It’s like boxing, when there to close they clinch.......Just cause the Do that In the ring, were elbows, Knees ect. It not aloud does not mean they Have no clue how to fight Up close.........

It would be hard to fight someone who Has long legs and kicks, if you’re a puncher. But, TKD does have Many hand technics. For example. The first form for ITF Patterns: has 19 hand movements and NO kicks. The first form for WTF: Has two kicks and 18 hand movements. ( if I'm not Mistaken) The list goes on..

Ppl see TKD on the Olympics and think that’s all they practice. They don’t know the other side of tkd and the patterns they practice in order to move from rank to rank.

Taekwondo is used in the military for hand to hand combat. Olympic sparring hasn’t even been around as long as taekwondo it’s self. It’s was Made for Self defense.

But If you think if you can win the fight by closing the distance against a tkd fight.....your wrong. I well trained TKD artest Does ( should) know how to fight Up close.

[Unkotare]

The problem is that close range often equals grappling range, and TKD isn't so hot there.

[BluewaveTKD]

Originally Posted by Unkotare

The problem is that close range often equals grappling range, and TKD isn't so hot there.

Well said.....

But What I'm tring to say is. ALOT Of ppl think TKD fighter dont know how to fight when up close. Cause they clinch When there in the ring. Were Punching and grappling is not aloud. They May not Be as good at grapping, but tkd has alot of great strikes....

[JoaNor]

For example. The first form for ITF Patterns: has 19 hand movements and NO kicks. The first form for WTF: Has two kicks and 18 hand movements. ( if I'm not Mistaken) The list goes on..

WTF Kukkiwon TKD:
TaeGuk 1 Jang:
18 Hand movements
2 Leg movements

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by BluewaveTKD

Taekwondo is used in the military for hand to hand combat. Olympic sparring hasn’t even been around as long as taekwondo it’s self. It’s was Made for Self defense.

Sorry to burst your "bubble", but that isnt TKD that military uses. And TKD was not made for self defense as it was for national pride/propaganda, and past time.

[complete]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Sorry to burst your "bubble", but that isnt TKD that military uses. And TKD was not made for self defense as it was for national pride/propaganda, and past time.

Korean armies do train in TKD and is taught for hand to hand combat. I don't think TKD is any part of propaganda. It's true the whole style of TKD dates back to 1950's but martial arts have been used throughout Korean war time history, which played big role in formation of TKD as we know today.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by complete

Korean armies do train in TKD and is taught for hand to hand combat. I don't think TKD is any part of propaganda. It's true the whole style of TKD dates back to 1950's but martial arts have been used throughout Korean war time history, which played big role in formation of TKD as we know today.

They may call it TKD, but I dont believe that the actual combat is TKD. That said, why wouldnt other military forces be using it.

It may be a method of exercise, discipline, and national pride, hence propaganda why Korea would promote if within its military verses other miltary forces using other things and not using it.

It doesn't give advantage for one miltary force to train in a national art over others that have a mixture dealing with actual combat.

MHO

[complete]

You are making it sound like TKD is inferior and the military is teaching something that's more effective but is hiding it because TKD is national sports.

I seriously doubt it.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by complete

You are making it sound like TKD is inferior and the military is teaching something that's more effective but is hiding it because TKD is national sports.

I seriously doubt it.

No, I dont think it is inferior, but not actual TKD. Looking upon its history and development by South Korea, (which North had followed), it makes sense that a country creating a art for unification, would make attempts to fuse it into military applications. Though, it cannot remain in such hardcore military applications without altercation. Hence, will it still be like its was?

Also to mention, that it had some methods, etc., from Japanese and Chinese influences, hence the national pride to promote it.

Again, if was so effective and applicable, why wouldnt other military forces be using it?

[JoaNor]

Lol, TKD is a BIG part of the Korean Army. In Korea they have the Army, The Navy, The Airforce and The Korean Tigers. The Korean Tigers aren't used in war(Du'h). but many top TKD artists work in the Korean Tigers. The Korean Tigers is just a part of the Army, because TKD/Taekkyon was used in the Old Wars of Korea(Silla times)... So they made them a part of the military to preserve the national sport.

[complete]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Again, if was so effective and applicable, why wouldnt other military forces be using it?

No matter how effective TKD is, not all military forces will be using it.

Let me turn the table around. Which martial art is the most effective that ALL military forces use it?

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by complete

No matter how effective TKD is, not all military forces will be using it.

Let me turn the table around. Which martial art is the most effective that ALL military forces use it?

Hey, I am not knocking it as a martial art. I am only cross-examining why it is used in the Korean military so specifically.

Look at it this way;

1.) It was introduced as a "unification/pride" art. As many instructors of the founding Kwans were heavily influenced from Chinese and, esp Japanese arts.

2.) Its surgence into the military, came after its structured organization of the art. And at a time, such government was looking for a tool to re-established national pride.

3.) Even in the Korean War, they were not training/using it.

4.) Korean Elite Units dont even lay claim to using TKD, but a better method of hand-to-hand.

5.) As I have been observing many decades, it would seem, many Korean Masters of TKD, seem to dislodge themselves from the name, going forth and creating a new name for their art/schools.

Now, it can be said, what art, was not influenced by other art(s) from other cultures.

And, indeed TKD, has indentifiable qualities, such as high kicks, in order to give disitinction.

And, indeed, it has good hand tactics, mis-understood, or not known to a casual observer. And inappropiate plethora of thoughts from other martial artists, that it lacks other defense methods, such as grappling, takedowns, etc. (Based upon it being constructed from other Kwans, whom had a vairety of tactics, it doesnt lack such. I had Korean TKD instructors who definately had skills beyond kicking high or other ineffective tactics-mainly used for demonstration.)

To answer the question, I dont think military forces are looking for a "indentifiable/bonefide art" as much as they desire a compendious curriculum of combat.

IMHO

[JackG]

Originally Posted by complete

No matter how effective TKD is, not all military forces will be using it.

Let me turn the table around. Which martial art is the most effective that ALL military forces use it?

Judo is used in the English army - just for reference sake

[complete]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Hey, I am not knocking it as a martial art. I am only cross-examining why it is used in the Korean military so specifically.

Look at it this way;

1.) It was introduced as a "unification/pride" art. As many instructors of the founding Kwans were heavily influenced from Chinese and, esp Japanese arts.

2.) Its surgence into the military, came after its structured organization of the art. And at a time, such government was looking for a tool to re-established national pride.

3.) Even in the Korean War, they were not training/using it.

4.) Korean Elite Units dont even lay claim to using TKD, but a better method of hand-to-hand.

5.) As I have been observing many decades, it would seem, many Korean Masters of TKD, seem to dislodge themselves from the name, going forth and creating a new name for their art/schools.

Now, it can be said, what art, was not influenced by other art(s) from other cultures.

And, indeed TKD, has indentifiable qualities, such as high kicks, in order to give disitinction.

And, indeed, it has good hand tactics, mis-understood, or not known to a casual observer. And inappropiate plethora of thoughts from other martial artists, that it lacks other defense methods, such as grappling, takedowns, etc. (Based upon it being constructed from other Kwans, whom had a vairety of tactics, it doesnt lack such. I had Korean TKD instructors who definately had skills beyond kicking high or other ineffective tactics-mainly used for demonstration.)

To answer the question, I dont think military forces are looking for a "indentifiable/bonefide art" as much as they desire a compendious curriculum of combat.

IMHO

You gotta stop using "pride" associated with TKD, it makes it sound like "honorary degree", not a real degree.

Korean war happened 1950-1953, before the word TKD was formed.

You still didn't answer my question. If your argument for TKD's effectiveness is it not being used by all other military, I want to know which one art is out there that is considered effective so all military uses it.

[BluewaveTKD]

QUOTE:
"Tae Kwon Do made it's debut outside of Korea in the mid-1960's when it's effectiveness in actual hand-to-hand combat was proven and made famous on the battle grounds of Vietnam. Tae Kwon do
popularity has grown rapidly, and is now the most practiced martial art in the world...."