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What if you train for sport and street? Using the distancing, Speed, timing, ect....that sparring has given you.
We do one class of sparring, and the next day we do Self defense....A lot of people in my school have been in fights.My teacher Has been in a lot of street fights before he started martial arts. He knows what works and what doesn't work in a fight.....He teaches self defense to the State Police in our area.
If I was to get in a fight, I would use a lot of things sparring has given me, a well As Self defense classes.
Indeed, as one must come to the reality of the differences.
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Nice post......
What if you train for sport and street? Using the distancing, Speed, timing, ect....that sparring has given you.
We do one class of sparring, and the next day we do Self defense....A lot of people in my school have been in fights.My teacher Has been in a lot of street fights before he started martial arts. He knows what works and what doesn't work in a fight.....He teaches self defense to the State Police in our area.
If I was to get in a fight, I would use a lot of things sparring has given me, a well As Self defense classes.
Training for the sport will give you a limited skill set that can be useful in a fight. It also ingrains habits that you definitley do not want if using your martial arts on the street. For example, pulling techniques short. I think training for both street and sport is a very difficult thing to accomplish. While there are a few talented people that might be able to do it, I believe it would be like serving two masters. If training realistically for the street, this training could slip into the ring and get you disqualified. Train for the sport and it might be what comes out in a street fight and gets you hurt.
Training for the sport will give you a limited skill set that can be useful in a fight. It also ingrains habits that you definitley do not want if using your martial arts on the street. For example, pulling techniques short. I think training for both street and sport is a very difficult thing to accomplish. While there are a few talented people that might be able to do it, I believe it would be like serving two masters. If training realistically for the street, this training could slip into the ring and get you disqualified. Train for the sport and it might be what comes out in a street fight and gets you hurt.
Always err on the side of disqualification. As long as you aren't worried about your KRANE rating (or whatever system is being used now), getting DQed is basically the same thing as the judges saying, "you would have won this on the street." If the judges like you, then you might actually win for doing something that gets you DQed. (My favorite is now and forever will be "excessive force" because I am a short, thin, nerdy looking white guy. How I generate "excessive force" is beyond me.)
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Chapel, Until a few years ago I was a skinny, small guy myself. Went to a karate tournament and for some reason had to fight a heavy-weight. He was hitting pretty hard and got me pretty good and hurt me a little. They didn't call anything on it so I figured I had better step it up or I was gonna lose and maybe get hurt. I opened the guy's centerline up and got a good punch in. Judges called excessive contact on me. I thought it was kinda funny. I still remember a few people in the crowd giving the judges what for on the call. Some karate tournaments you really don't want to go in wearing a kung fu uniform. LOL
Training for the sport will give you a limited skill set that can be useful in a fight. It also ingrains habits that you definitley do not want if using your martial arts on the street. For example, pulling techniques short. I think training for both street and sport is a very difficult thing to accomplish. While there are a few talented people that might be able to do it, I believe it would be like serving two masters. If training realistically for the street, this training could slip into the ring and get you disqualified. Train for the sport and it might be what comes out in a street fight and gets you hurt.
I agree. Which is why our advanced classes spar very harsh. To the point of contusions and bureaucracy in some instances.
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Chapel, Until a few years ago I was a skinny, small guy myself. Went to a karate tournament and for some reason had to fight a heavy-weight. He was hitting pretty hard and got me pretty good and hurt me a little. They didn't call anything on it so I figured I had better step it up or I was gonna lose and maybe get hurt. I opened the guy's centerline up and got a good punch in. Judges called excessive contact on me. I thought it was kinda funny. I still remember a few people in the crowd giving the judges what for on the call. Some karate tournaments you really don't want to go in wearing a kung fu uniform. LOL
OF COURSE NOT. Almost all of the tournies I have went to, were biased against CMA
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OF COURSE NOT. Almost all of the tournies I have went to, were biased against CMA
Yeah, it always amazed me the politics and bias I encountered in so called "open" tournaments. I thought it was just in the KC area until I started going to national tournies and talked to other CMA practitioners. After a while you kinda get used to it and just appreciate it all the more when the tourney wasn't biased. Funny thing is now if I go to a tourney to watch, some of those same judges that held biases are chatting me up and asking me to judge. As The Doors song says, "People are strange."
Yeah, it always amazed me the politics and bias I encountered in so called "open" tournaments. I thought it was just in the KC area until I started going to national tournies and talked to other CMA practitioners. After a while you kinda get used to it and just appreciate it all the more when the tourney wasn't biased. Funny thing is now if I go to a tourney to watch, some of those same judges that held biases are chatting me up and asking me to judge. As The Doors song says, "People are strange."
They ask you do judge is order to solidify that they ARE NOT BIASED, which in fact they are and remain so.
Been there, done that decades ago.
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They ask you do judge is order to solidify that they ARE NOT BIASED, which in fact they are and remain so.
Been there, done that decades ago.
That's a definite possibilty, I'd say probability with some of karate guys I know. A few of them I actually earned some degree of respect from them by fighting thier guys and talking shop with them at tournaments...at least that's what I tell myself Doesn't really matter to me since I don't do anything with tournaments anymore other than go to support friends.
That's a definite possibilty, I'd say probability with some of karate guys I know. A few of them I actually earned some degree of respect from them by fighting thier guys and talking shop with them at tournaments...at least that's what I tell myself Doesn't really matter to me since I don't do anything with tournaments anymore other than go to support friends.
Yeah. The flyer that reads "Open to All Styles", really means open to all with money to participate.
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Yeah. The flyer that reads "Open to All Styles", really means open to all with money to participate.
True enough. We used to joke that SOME flyers ought to have fine print at the bottom saying something like this, "All styles are invited to spend as much money on entry fees as possible. All styles are welcome, though all kung fu practioners will have at least a 1 point deduction to thier scores before competing. It is entirely likely that kung fu practioners will be judged by people with no idea of what kung fu is supposed to look like then given advice by those same people on how to enhance the performance. It is also likely that your weapon forms and sparring will be judged by people with no weapon experience of any kind. Sparring will be light to medium contact unless you are wearing a kung fu uniform, then competitors are allowed to hit you as hard as possible. Thank you for your money and have a good time."
Not all open tourneys were like this obviously, but too many were. It was nice to go into a biased "open" tourney and sweep everything we entered. Used to make some of the karate people red faced It also taught our beginning people to be satisfied with doing your best in a competition and not to worry about if you win or not. Helped to keep many of them from becoming nervous before competing and just go out and do what they do.
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Chapel, Until a few years ago I was a skinny, small guy myself. Went to a karate tournament and for some reason had to fight a heavy-weight. He was hitting pretty hard and got me pretty good and hurt me a little. They didn't call anything on it so I figured I had better step it up or I was gonna lose and maybe get hurt. I opened the guy's centerline up and got a good punch in. Judges called excessive contact on me. I thought it was kinda funny. I still remember a few people in the crowd giving the judges what for on the call. Some karate tournaments you really don't want to go in wearing a kung fu uniform. LOL
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