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I hate it when parents ask me how long it takes for the average person to get a black belt. My answer is always: "The average person doesn't get a black belt here."
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Last edited by souldrum71; 04-04-2008 at 11:08 AM.
i was talking to a guy in my bjj class on wed night and he said that some bjj schools may be giving belts away too. he said that dr. rey 90210 was given his blue belt after a few months training at the gracie academy so that they could get some publicity and that he had not taken a real blue belt test. not sure if this is true or not as I did not train with dr. rey, but its the rumor....
I hate it when parents ask me how long it takes for the average person to get a black belt. My answer is always: "The average person doesn't get a black belt here."
I see nothing wrong in a 13+ yrold getting a black belt as long as they have earned it and to know everything that a normal black belt does and can execute it to a weight/strength difference similiar to that of a adult, and its not just all theory, and they must be a "junior Dan" because there is obviously some techniques and training methods that they haven't/can't of experienced.
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I see nothing wrong in a 13+ yrold getting a black belt as long as they have earned it and to know everything that a normal black belt does and can execute it to a weight/strength difference similiar to that of a adult, and its not just all theory, and they must be a "junior Dan" because there is obviously some techniques and training methods that they haven't/can't of experienced.
can i ask to what degree ?
as an edit to the above post I think as every first dan it should be a case by case basis , no dan grades for brats who don't have earn respect on the mat!
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Many a man's mouth has broken his nose. - Irish proverb
My guruma is better than my grammar
"My left hand is made out of Iron my right out of steel if one don't get you the other one will"
can i ask to what degree ?
as an edit to the above post I think as every first dan it should be a case by case basis , no dan grades for brats who don't have earn respect on the mat!
This is the degree. The attitude and association of rank.
Though one could say that the instructor shoud have a good attitude instilled in a juvenile student.
Though many (juveniles) look upon the rank as a accomplishment of fighting per quo and boasting.
A student from another school, some time ago, told a kid of a friend of mine, that he was a Black Belt, out of boast. A fight followed.
Knowing the kid's instructor, I paid him a visit. He was very surprised that his student was in a fight stemming from a boast.
I see nothing wrong in a 13+ yrold getting a black belt as long as they have earned it and to know everything that a normal black belt does and can execute it to a weight/strength difference similiar to that of a adult, and its not just all theory, and they must be a "junior Dan" because there is obviously some techniques and training methods that they haven't/can't of experienced.
There is, in fact, an official rank for this. They are the Poom ranks. Officially, Poom ranks go from 1 to 4 and have lowered age restrictions but heightened skill requirements. As a result they are supposed to be very rarely awarded. When the holder of a Poom rank comes of age, they are awarded the Dan rank corresponding to their Poom rank (i.e. 1st Poom -> 1st Dan).
However, this hasn't prevented schools which only pretend to be associated with the Kukkiwon from selling 1st Dans to 13 year olds.
I see nothing wrong in a 13+ yrold getting a black belt as long as they have earned it and to know everything that a normal black belt does and can execute it to a weight/strength difference similiar to that of a adult, and its not just all theory, and they must be a "junior Dan" because there is obviously some techniques and training methods that they haven't/can't of experienced.
Most people, including a lot of martial artists think of a black belt as someone who can fight. Not as someone who can do techniques/katas. How can a kid fight an adult? They are not developed physically or mentally yet. Maybe there are a few exceptions to the rule...but these exceptions should be comparable to the 13 yr old who can skip high school and earn their college degree i.e doogie howser, which is like 1 in 10 million or something crazy like that. A black belt should have no problem defeating any of the white belts in randori/sparring/rolling, not the other way around.
So I guess if a black belt just means techniques/kata, then they could earn it. So what does a black belt mean? Ask 20 people on the street and I guarantee they will all the same thing: someone who can kick some butt.
Most people, including a lot of martial artists think of a black belt as someone who can fight. Not as someone who can do techniques/katas. How can a kid fight an adult? They are not developed physically or mentally yet. Maybe there are a few exceptions to the rule...but these exceptions should be comparable to the 13 yr old who can skip high school and earn their college degree i.e doogie howser, which is like 1 in 10 million or something crazy like that. A black belt should have no problem defeating any of the white belts in randori/sparring/rolling, not the other way around.
So I guess if a black belt just means techniques/kata, then they could earn it. So what does a black belt mean? Ask 20 people on the street and I guarantee they will all the same thing: someone who can kick some butt.
And that is part of the attitude and association. This is why people go after it in a school.
Change that high rank color to, say, Teal, (which as a joke, I did - man was I hounded) and it won't mean as much. See, where the association of the "color" is important and not the actual skill.....
This is where I have the problem of Chinese schools having a black sash, as they are copying/following, another issue of mainstream/popularity and fall out of tradition.
And their is part of the attitude and association. This is why people go after it in a school.
Change that high rank color to, say, Teal, (which as a joke, I did - man was I hounded) and it won't mean as much. See, where the association of the "color" is important and not the actual skill.....
This is where I have the problem of Chinese schools having a black sash, as they are copying/following, another issue of mainstream/popularity and fall out of tradition.
Exactly. Changing the color of the high rank solves a lot of those issues.
Why do kids have black belts?
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