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I started training a guy that is awesome at bjj and I guess pretty good at TKD, for an upcoming fight. I have to say this, I'm sorry but, it has to be said. I think TKD is great for sport against other TKD. He has good kicks but his foot work hands and set ups are all pretty much garbage. This is all I've seen of TKD no matter the school or the person. My advice for TKD people is maybe add some boxing or MT to your training to increase your striking abilities.
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I started training a guy that is awesome at bjj and I guess pretty good at TKD, for an upcoming fight. I have to say this, I'm sorry but, it has to be said. I think TKD is great for sport against other TKD. He has good kicks but his foot work hands and set ups are all pretty much garbage. This is all I've seen of TKD no matter the school or the person. My advice for TKD people is maybe add some boxing or MT to your training to increase your striking abilities.
I have to agree. As I had said, TKD in between the 60's and early 70's, had some good defense.
However, back then, we knew to cross-train.
The idea to cross train came from the likes of Bruce Lee, per one example.
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I started training a guy that is awesome at bjj and I guess pretty good at TKD, for an upcoming fight. I have to say this, I'm sorry but, it has to be said. I think TKD is great for sport against other TKD. He has good kicks but his foot work hands and set ups are all pretty much garbage. This is all I've seen of TKD no matter the school or the person. My advice for TKD people is maybe add some boxing or MT to your training to increase your striking abilities.
i disagree. all he needs is to do some sparring in no gear, and he will be fine.if he is used to fightin non tkd rules then he will be fine. like i said, he is only missing the body training, no pads sparring part. tkd back then was much difeerent. but it is the kicks, punches,kness, etc. which are effective. tkd, or muay, thai, judo, or bjj are just the names.
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i disagree. all he needs is to do some sparring in no gear, and he will be fine.if he is used to fightin non tkd rules then he will be fine. like i said, he is only missing the body training, no pads sparring part. tkd back then was much difeerent. but it is the kicks, punches,kness, etc. which are effective. tkd, or muay, thai, judo, or bjj are just the names.
Unfortnately Siroki, many TKD schools are watered down greatly. I've seen a lot of them that could not use thier footwork but to go either move straight forward or straight back. Bad news when doing MMA...or pretty much any other type of fighting. Not saying all TKD schools are this way, just way too damn many.
Unfortnately Siroki, many TKD schools are watered down greatly. I've seen a lot of them that could not use thier footwork but to go either move straight forward or straight back. Bad news when doing MMA...or pretty much any other type of fighting. Not saying all TKD schools are this way, just way too damn many.
Pop quiz: Why do you think they got that way?
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I started training a guy that is awesome at bjj and I guess pretty good at TKD, for an upcoming fight. I have to say this, I'm sorry but, it has to be said. I think TKD is great for sport against other TKD. He has good kicks but his foot work hands and set ups are all pretty much garbage. This is all I've seen of TKD no matter the school or the person. My advice for TKD people is maybe add some boxing or MT to your training to increase your striking abilities.
From my experience with TKD, footwork consists of stances, such as a horse stance. I am not sure TKD ever focuses on actual fighting footwork like boxing/MT...at least its not in our curriculum. And I would think no TKD programs do, because it would be weird to practice all the horse stances and then say...'in sparring/fighting, we throw all those out the window and use these other ones'. Im sure students would ask why they are even learning the other then.
From my experience with TKD, footwork consists of stances, such as a horse stance. I am not sure TKD ever focuses on actual fighting footwork like boxing/MT...at least its not in our curriculum. And I would think no TKD programs do, because it would be weird to practice all the horse stances and then say...'in sparring/fighting, we throw all those out the window and use these other ones'. Im sure students would ask why they are even learning the other then.
Would you think the way you place your foot to perform a certain move is also foot work?
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i disagree. all he needs is to do some sparring in no gear, and he will be fine.if he is used to fightin non tkd rules then he will be fine. like i said, he is only missing the body training, no pads sparring part. tkd back then was much difeerent. but it is the kicks, punches,kness, etc. which are effective. tkd, or muay, thai, judo, or bjj are just the names.
Maybe TKD is different in Japan. But from experience here in the US most TKD people don't know how to through a proper punch and their foot work is horrible. Again that is just what I've seen not, saying all.
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From my experience with TKD, footwork consists of stances, such as a horse stance. I am not sure TKD ever focuses on actual fighting footwork like boxing/MT...at least its not in our curriculum. And I would think no TKD programs do, because it would be weird to practice all the horse stances and then say...'in sparring/fighting, we throw all those out the window and use these other ones'. Im sure students would ask why they are even learning the other then.
I agree 100%. Also I noticed that a lot of TKD guys are real bouncy which is good but the way they do it is not. I've seen them switch their front foot constantly which I guess sets different angles for kicks but, also cuts down on power and makes it easier to get a take down. Also they don't plant all the time when they throw which I also don't get.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Footwork is not emphasized in most TKD schools. It even falls by the wayside in my school. In general, it seems to be something which we try to teach as part of a technique instead of as its own technique. I would like to point out that the forms, when done correctly, do contain many instances of changing your stance based on the technique. Maybe this is something I should stress more at my school.
Now, to redeem myself. I always yell at kids for letting themselves get taken down with bad sweeps or throws. Especially when they claim they did it right and I have them do it again with resistance (because the person doing the takedown usually ends up on his back).
So, thanks for the intelligent discussion which will hopefully improve my teaching. +rep to both if I can.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Footwork is not emphasized in most TKD schools. It even falls by the wayside in my school. In general, it seems to be something which we try to teach as part of a technique instead of as its own technique. I would like to point out that the forms, when done correctly, do contain many instances of changing your stance based on the technique. Maybe this is something I should stress more at my school.
Now, to redeem myself. I always yell at kids for letting themselves get taken down with bad sweeps or throws. Especially when they claim they did it right and I have them do it again with resistance (because the person doing the takedown usually ends up on his back).
So, thanks for the intelligent discussion which will hopefully improve my teaching. +rep to both if I can.
I have a question, how important is foot work under self defense situations?
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Footwork is not emphasized in most TKD schools. It even falls by the wayside in my school. In general, it seems to be something which we try to teach as part of a technique instead of as its own technique. I would like to point out that the forms, when done correctly, do contain many instances of changing your stance based on the technique. Maybe this is something I should stress more at my school.
Now, to redeem myself. I always yell at kids for letting themselves get taken down with bad sweeps or throws. Especially when they claim they did it right and I have them do it again with resistance (because the person doing the takedown usually ends up on his back).
So, thanks for the intelligent discussion which will hopefully improve my teaching. +rep to both if I can.
Thanks man
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I have a question, how important is foot work under self defense situations?
I think it depends on the situation. How important are strikes in self defense? Or grappling? Or knowing how to do this or that? It depends on the situation. In any stand up altercation, footwork is very important.
I think it depends on the situation. How important are strikes in self defense? Or grappling? Or knowing how to do this or that? It depends on the situation. In any stand up altercation, footwork is very important.
Hmmmmn, I may "stand" corrected (pun intended)
What footwork are we talking about?
The ability to move the body.
The ability to stand and deliver without loosing balance?
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what do u guys mean footwork?
am i missing something? is there some specific footwork style or something they teach in tkd now. when i was doin tkd we learned how to not get hit, and hit some one else, and that is the way i teach as well? move whatever way is comfortable to you.
what do u guys mean footwork?
am i missing something? is there some specific footwork style or something they teach in tkd now. when i was doin tkd we learned how to not get hit, and hit some one else, and that is the way i teach as well? move whatever way is comfortable to you.
They are talking about more specific movements than shifting from front stance to fighting stance and what not. TKD has pretty simplistic footwork in that a lot of things are pre-defined, thus it leave a lot of things to be discovered by the artist in stead of explicitly said by the instructor (such as why you go to a front stance while punching and how to best coordinate that).
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