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[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by nascarmike71

Stances are to teach balance not for actual use in SD situations.

That doesn't make much sense to me, actually. The "horse stance" is one of your widest base stances which would make it very stable. This would mean getting into a horse stance would put you in a well "balanced" position.

But since you're not going to use it to fight, you are actually making learning balance WORSE. Learning your sense of base and balance comes from standing in unbalanced positions.

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

That doesn't make much sense to me, actually. The "horse stance" is one of your widest base stances which would make it very stable. This would mean getting into a horse stance would put you in a well "balanced" position.

But since you're not going to use it to fight, you are actually making learning balance WORSE. Learning your sense of base and balance comes from standing in unbalanced positions.

Yeah when I stop to think about it seems very wrong indeed. + rep Joe because I felt like it damn it.

[47MartialMan]

[quote=TRIANGLEFROMGAURD;76416
Really trying not to get irritated. Did you read my post? I think Bruce is awesome but, I don't consider him a fighter, so why did he bounce I don't know it looked good on camera? Boxers bounce as I just stated a few posts ago is done at a distance to increase head movement. Boxers IN GENERAL do not switch their lead foot changing from orthodox to south paw. Boxers plant or STOP bouncing when they throw a technique, except for the jab which can be thrown from either but, needs to be modified. When in close boxers will NOT bounce they will use head and shoulder movement instead.

TKD bounce into their techniques, they switch their lead foot. This is very very icky!!![/QUOTE]


I think you misquoted.

Yes, I understood your posts.

But I posted:

So, when TKDers do it, per spar/competition, in accordance to their style (as going against their own), and if they realise it is something that it is not defense applicable, why is it so bad?

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

I think you misquoted.

Yes, I understood your posts.

But I posted:

So, when TKDers do it, per spar/competition, in accordance to their style (as going against their own), and if they realise it is something that it is not defense applicable, why is it so bad?

I was including this part of your original post as well.

But the bouncing per Bruce Lee, Ali, boxers, are generally in spar/competition, not defense.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I was including this part of your original post as well.

But the bouncing per Bruce Lee, Ali, boxers, are generally in spar/competition, not defense.

So, you disagree that these people bounce generally in spar/competition and not defense OR also in defense? (Self Defense)

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

So, you disagree that these people bounce generally in spar/competition and not defense OR also in defense? (Self Defense)

I neither agree nor disagree. My point is that the bouncing is done for different reasons. Most boxers bounce to keep their head mobile and to prevent their muscles from tightening up. Ali is a perfect example he bounced until he got close then he destroyed. TKD throw techniques right out the bounce which also contains a shuffle.

Two totally different techniques with two totally different purposes.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I neither agree nor disagree. My point is that the bouncing is done for different reasons. Most boxers bounce to keep their head mobile and to prevent their muscles from tightening up. Ali is a perfect example he bounced until he got close then he destroyed. TKD throw techniques right out the bounce which also contains a shuffle.

Two totally different techniques with two totally different purposes.

And this, I agree.

[Chapel]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I neither agree nor disagree. My point is that the bouncing is done for different reasons. Most boxers bounce to keep their head mobile and to prevent their muscles from tightening up. Ali is a perfect example he bounced until he got close then he destroyed. TKD throw techniques right out the bounce which also contains a shuffle.

Two totally different techniques with two totally different purposes.

I get annoyed at the bounce only because it uses so much energy. I see kids who do it literally gasping for breath before a minute is up. Like all good things, it is very possible to over do it. Plant too much and it is harder to move, bounce too much and you have no power/stability.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Chapel

I get annoyed at the bounce only because it uses so much energy. I see kids who do it literally gasping for breath before a minute is up. Like all good things, it is very possible to over do it. Plant too much and it is harder to move, bounce too much and you have no power/stability.

Unless it is a well-endowed female, you cant get enough bounce.

Bad Bad Zoot, Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot!

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by Chapel

I get annoyed at the bounce only because it uses so much energy. I see kids who do it literally gasping for breath before a minute is up. Like all good things, it is very possible to over do it. Plant too much and it is harder to move, bounce too much and you have no power/stability.

I couldn't agree more. In boxing you have to balance between bouncing and head movement. I'm more of a bully fighter and don't incorporate much bouncyness.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I couldn't agree more. In boxing you have to balance between bouncing and head movement. I'm more of a bully fighter and don't incorporate much bouncyness.

You mean you dont bounce your opponent on the mat?

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

You mean you dont bounce your opponent on the mat?

Oh god no!!! I slam my opponent through the mat!

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

Oh god no!!! I slam my opponent through the mat!

So hard he leaves a indent of his figure.....

[SirokiFighter]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Please post a example of each...thanks

well simply its like evrything else. if i hear something bad about a ceratin restuarant im likely to not want to to go to that restuarant. and then likely to talk down on it when others bring it up.
maybe the person who said bad things about the restuarant didnt really like the type of food being served, but maybe someone else does.

i will message you a more detailed answer later.

i could have wrote a really long answer to your question but didnt have the time, so i decided to use the best example i could think of

remember. this is just an example. i know food/resturaunts arnt martial arts, and you dont learn how to fight from going to a resturaunt. this is about misconception, and prejudices.

[Chapel]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I couldn't agree more. In boxing you have to balance between bouncing and head movement. I'm more of a bully fighter and don't incorporate much bouncyness.

You don't really see grapplers bounce at all, so it isn't surprising that you don't either. Imagine what would happen if you did... when you are at the top of your bounce, you have absolutely no chance to sprawl when the double leg takedown comes at you.