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John55, has a point that I strongly agree with. Many schools, not just TKD, do not train realistically, but convince thier students that they are prepared for a street confrontation. Its akin to giving a soldier a gun loaded with blanks and sending him to war. Very foolish and very bad for the soldier.
These type of schools out-number the schools that train realistically by a great margin. However , they do serve a purpose. They are a gateway to the martial arts for many people. This is thier introduction. A few will grow enough and lose enough ego to look outside of thier McDojo to find real teaching. Most will not, and that's fine too. These poorly taught schools act as kind of a filter. I'm not sure this filter effect is enough to make up for the negative effect on the student though.
yes i agree. but he said schools that teach elbows and such arnt actuallly teaching tkd. that was the arguement. we said already very few schools train realisticalyy.
John55, has a point that I strongly agree with. Many schools, not just TKD, do not train realistically, but convince thier students that they are prepared for a street confrontation. Its akin to giving a soldier a gun loaded with blanks and sending him to war. Very foolish and very bad for the soldier.
These type of schools out-number the schools that train realistically by a great margin. However , they do serve a purpose. They are a gateway to the martial arts for many people. This is thier introduction. A few will grow enough and lose enough ego to look outside of thier McDojo to find real teaching. Most will not, and that's fine too. These poorly taught schools act as kind of a filter. I'm not sure this filter effect is enough to make up for the negative effect on the student though.
I agree.
The term "Ignorance Is Bliss", comes to mind.
As this would indicate there are a lot of happy people out there.
However, I know many people who study, or take their kids to such places. Some of them know well, that these are not "whole" martial arts. In fact, they weren't looking for that type.
To each their own....
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yes i agree. but he said schools that teach elbows and such arnt actuallly teaching tkd. that was the arguement. we said already very few schools train realisticalyy.
I just havent really seen knees, elbows, headbutts, or clinch fighting overall being taught in TKD. I have seen the occasional knee/elbow but this is very rare. At least here in the US, when TKD schools teach that stuff, it is usually hapkido stuff, not TKD. That is really what I was referring to. But they are calling it TKD and really its more MMA. I think its great for instructors to include things from other arts that work, but they should recognize it as such out of respect for those arts. For example, in my bjj class whenever we learn something from another art, my instructor says, ''today we are going to learn a move from judo which will help you because'' or a move from wrestling etc.
I would love to see actual TKD curriculum from the 70s to see what it included that it does not now. I think someone posting actual curriculum from TMAs would really help clear things up, that way we could see if our school was teaching us the actual art or a watered down version.
yup me too. i think a big problem is many schools train with the idea that strking at eyes, or hitting the groin, and biting will solve evrything.
with the whole tkd subject. i dont really care how other schools train, as long as i know how i am training and how effective it is. and if someone wants to underestimate me for doing practicing TKD then better for me.
Good post man.
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I just havent really seen knees, elbows, headbutts, or clinch fighting overall being taught in TKD. I have seen the occasional knee/elbow but this is very rare. At least here in the US, when TKD schools teach that stuff, it is usually hapkido stuff, not TKD. That is really what I was referring to. But they are calling it TKD and really its more MMA. I think its great for instructors to include things from other arts that work, but they should recognize it as such out of respect for those arts. For example, in my bjj class whenever we learn something from another art, my instructor says, ''today we are going to learn a move from judo which will help you because'' or a move from wrestling etc.
I would love to see actual TKD curriculum from the 70s to see what it included that it does not now. I think someone posting actual curriculum from TMAs would really help clear things up, that way we could see if our school was teaching us the actual art or a watered down version.
yes i agree. now in tkd you not see much of anything except kicking, maybe a bit punching.
yes i understand, where you coming from.
yes i agree. now in tkd you not see much of anything except kicking, maybe a bit punching.
yes i understand, where you coming from.
what do you mean post cirriculum from the 70's?
Curriculum means what was required for each belt ie forms/moves/self defense etc. I think it would be interesting for people to see an older curriculum set and compare it to what they do now to see if there are differences.
Curriculum means what was required for each belt ie forms/moves/self defense etc. I think it would be interesting for people to see an older curriculum set and compare it to what they do now to see if there are differences.
I just havent really seen knees, elbows, headbutts, or clinch fighting overall being taught in TKD.
Elbows appear in several forms and clinch fighting appears in exactly one form.
These things are properly part of TKD and should be taught as part of a comprehensive TKD education. The problem is that few schools recognize this and then fail to bring those techniques out of the forms into sparring and self-defense.
Got to keep in mind that an overwhelming majority of the TKD schools in the world are either selling belts or focus very heavily on sport (the latter is not a bad thing, but it would lead to less clinch fighting being taught).
Society is becoming so weak with people not letting there kids join something where they can get hurt. If I had a son I would let him take a class where he gets elbowed in the face because I would not raise any weakling.
Society is becoming so weak with people not letting there kids join something where they can get hurt. If I had a son I would let him take a class where he gets elbowed in the face because I would not raise any weakling.
I would love to see actual TKD curriculum from the 70s to see what it included that it does not now. I think someone posting actual curriculum from TMAs would really help clear things up, that way we could see if our school was teaching us the actual art or a watered down version.
Big difference.....
First off observations;
Few kids-more adults
No stripes on belts
No belt fees on lower ranks
No patches on uniforms
No parapahnalia like a sales counter and drink machine
No "Black Belt Clubs"
Half study time, routines/drills, other half SD
People with afros and long hair
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