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Elbows appear in several forms and clinch fighting appears in exactly one form.
These things are properly part of TKD and should be taught as part of a comprehensive TKD education. The problem is that few schools recognize this and then fail to bring those techniques out of the forms into sparring and self-defense.
Got to keep in mind that an overwhelming majority of the TKD schools in the world are either selling belts or focus very heavily on sport (the latter is not a bad thing, but it would lead to less clinch fighting being taught).
This is what I don't really like about TMA's, "in the form" means nothing. There is no way you can learn how to effectively use the clinch with out physically training it with a partner. Also most practitioners of an art only train with how to deal with that art. I may act completely different in a clinch then someone that trains at your gym. Where as most will try to escape the clinch, I more then likely will pummel and try to gain dominant position since the clinch is where I want to be anyway.
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Yes, a school with camo belts is just bad. Actually, the first time I heard of it, I laughed because I thought it was a joke. then after doing some research found it was real.
Now if a system wants to have kids belts and they are weird colors with no black belt, fine, they can be pink, camo, and gold for all I care.
I actually think TKD would do well if they started have two tracks for TKD. One for real self defense and can actually use their skills. Another track for the people who just want the moves/forms. And the second track doesnt have the same belts and their top belt isnt black. This way, when you would see a tkd blackbelt, you would know they were tough and earned it. And everyone could be happy and tkd would have more respect. And the families who dont want all the hard stuff could still advance in their own belt system.
I was talking to my wife about this yesterday. I asked, what does she think when someone tells her they have a BB in TKD, she said they could fight well. I asked her about bjj and she said the same thing. Thats what I dont get about TKD. They claim the BB means you know the moves and forms, but to people on the outside, they dont stress that fact at all. Heck I thought it too until I learned about MA. They really play it off like the BB means you can fight.
Again I think that it's how you train not what you train. I hear a lot about realistic training and, self defense and blah blah blah. But I think whether every fight goes to the ground or not you should still be ready for that possibility. If you want to know how you whether or not you are training how to really fight ask your self what your defense against the take down is. If your answer is anything other then sprawl or wizzer you are not training realistically. I don't care if your doing TKD or JKD or Ogi-nonna muggi do the only, and I can not stress enough the ONLY way, to defend a take down is with the above mentioned techniques.
Well I guess you could cup your hand and hit the back of the neck on the C4 vertebrate with a percussive shock strike and shut down your opponents nervous system. That seems reasonable as well. If you're laughing someone really posted that as the best way to defend a wrestlers "tackle take down"!
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This is what I don't really like about TMA's, "in the form" means nothing. There is no way you can learn how to effectively use the clinch with out physically training it with a partner. Also most practitioners of an art only train with how to deal with that art. I may act completely different in a clinch then someone that trains at your gym. Where as most will try to escape the clinch, I more then likely will pummel and try to gain dominant position since the clinch is where I want to be anyway.
Again I think that it's how you train not what you train. I hear a lot about realistic training and, self defense and blah blah blah. But I think whether every fight goes to the ground or not you should still be ready for that possibility. If you want to know how you whether or not you are training how to really fight ask your self what your defense against the take down is. If your answer is anything other then sprawl or wizzer you are not training realistically. I don't care if your doing TKD or JKD or Ogi-nonna muggi do the only, and I can not stress enough the ONLY way, to defend a take down is with the above mentioned techniques.
Well I guess you could cup your hand and hit the back of the neck on the C4 vertebrate with a percussive shock strike and shut down your opponents nervous system. That seems reasonable as well. If you're laughing someone really posted that as the best way to defend a wrestlers "tackle take down"!
Again I think that it's how you train not what you train. I hear a lot about realistic training and, self defense and blah blah blah. But I think whether every fight goes to the ground or not you should still be ready for that possibility. If you want to know how you whether or not you are training how to really fight ask your self what your defense against the take down is. If your answer is anything other then sprawl or wizzer you are not training realistically. I don't care if your doing TKD or JKD or Ogi-nonna muggi do the only, and I can not stress enough the ONLY way, to defend a take down is with the above mentioned techniques.
I have been doing sprawls for the last few weeks and defense against them in bjj. What is the Wizzer?
Couldnt an elbow to the back/top of the head work well here as well to at least take stop them a bit or maybe even a guillatine choke? At least if you couldnt get the sprawl?
I have been doing sprawls for the last few weeks and defense against them in bjj. What is the Wizzer?
Couldnt an elbow to the back/top of the head work well here as well to at least take stop them a bit or maybe even a guillatine choke? At least if you couldnt get the sprawl?
Depends on who is shooting on you. A good wrestler is hitting you hard and fast not enough time or balance for elbows and they keep the side of their face in your body hard to guillotine. If I shoot past the body my head is pressed against the side and I cut my corner to land in s-mount.
Here is a vid of a guy doing the Whizzer don't like how he does it. I shoulder down harder and try to kick out the leg, sometimes called a Jap Whizzer. I guess I need to put a video up of how to whizzer.
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Depends on who is shooting on you. A good wrestler is hitting you hard and fast not enough time or balance for elbows and they keep the side of their face in your body hard to guillotine. If I shoot past the body my head is pressed against the side and I cut my corner to land in s-mount.
Here is a vid of a guy doing the Whizzer don't like how he does it. I shoulder down harder and try to kick out the leg, sometimes called a Jap Whizzer. I guess I need to put a video up of how to whizzer.
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