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i too took up boxing to better my hands. but after a month, i came to relize that it was unnessesary and quit.
I will grant you this: Boxing is extremely simple. You could probably learn all the different techniques that make it up within a month, the rest is training to get faster and stronger. However, once stop paying for training, that doesn't mean you have to stop training.
I will grant you this: Boxing is extremely simple. You could probably learn all the different techniques that make it up within a month, the rest is training to get faster and stronger. However, once stop paying for training, that doesn't mean you have to stop training.
With all of this discussion about chamber, this thread ought to be renamed as "The Chamber of Secrets"
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
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With all of this discussion about chamber, this thread ought to be renamed as "The Chamber of Secrets"
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I am surprised that only one person suggested the 'chambering hand is not empty' and that was a CMA person. I was always taught that the chambering hand had someone's arm/clothes/head/leg/etc. in it, this pulling them into the punch and increasing the force. Many of the forms have applications which directly relate to the concept of the chambered arm holding onto someone's limb(s). This applies to so-called blocks as well.
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That is GREAT MartialMan!
I am surprised that only one person suggested the 'chambering hand is not empty' and that was a CMA person. I was always taught that the chambering hand had someone's arm/clothes/head/leg/etc. in it, this pulling them into the punch and increasing the force. Many of the forms have applications which directly relate to the concept of the chambered arm holding onto someone's limb(s). This applies to so-called blocks as well.
I've seen many karateka schools train this technique. Unfortunately, most times it is so watered down that it is useless. The hips MUST move and there MUST be a push/pull action with the limbs for these type of techniques to be effective. If the hips aren't engaged in the process then it is just hallow body movements that don't mean anything. Might as well just dance with your oppponent...of course that takes hips too! LOL It is nice to see that some people are still teaching how it should be done. I still have grave doubts about the OP's teacher though, if he heard his instructor correctly.
I've seen many karateka schools train this technique. Unfortunately, most times it is so watered down that it is useless. The hips MUST move and there MUST be a push/pull action with the limbs for these type of techniques to be effective. If the hips aren't engaged in the process then it is just hallow body movements that don't mean anything. Might as well just dance with your oppponent...of course that takes hips too! LOL It is nice to see that some people are still teaching how it should be done. I still have grave doubts about the OP's teacher though, if he heard his instructor correctly.
yeah I agree some Karate senseis don't know why they where taught to punch from the hip and in that way.
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chamberig is a training technique I think all agreed that.
I only know a very limited amount of blocks and strike (maybe 3 at best) where you need to pull the arm in in order to get the power when whipping it out for the block or strike. (even though blocking and striking are preety much the same thing)
not using your hips!!!!!!!!!!!!
Find another instructor everything is in the hips!!!!!!
They are horrible habits and even in the case of the reverse punch you should still use your hips. TKD is not well known for it's striking methods and that sums up why. Chambering is ok for drills and to apply isometric pressure to the tricep but I would never ever, ever ever do this in a fight. A lot of arts have a one blow one kill mentality and that just doesn't translate well to real life.
Chambering is pulling and punching. It's for clinch work and close-in fighting. Much of CMA is grappling. I'm not saying grab everyone and punch, but against someone smaller, grabbing their arm, pulling and twisting and punching at the same time tends to end with you standing up and him falling down. Or, if he has a weapon, and you disarm, you're going to pull it in, twist, and punch. Again, not recommended 100% of the time, but it will work some of the time. It's just the basics of martial motions. Everyone chambers, everyone punches. Boxing is a horrible striking art, because there is no kicking. I think you mean kickboxers. There's a reason why Anderson Silva, Wanderlei, and Crocop are feared strikers. They have powerful kicks. Punches are for stunned opponents.
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I think the chambering was for beginners to feel the waist and hips start into action.
You guys are horribly simplistic. Chambering is not an empty motion. If you don't have something in your hand, you wouldn't chamber in a fight.
Man, are you guys novices in martial arts.
That being said, the reason TKD artists chamber is because the Koreans copied all the moves from the Chinese, who copied their moves from the Japanese. A lot was lost in translation.
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You guys are horribly simplistic. Chambering is not an empty motion. If you don't have something in your hand, you wouldn't chamber in a fight.
Man, are you guys novices in martial arts.
That being said, the reason TKD artists chamber is because the Koreans copied all the moves from the Chinese, who copied their moves from the Japanese. A lot was lost in translation.
There are no novices in martial arts here.
There are only differences of methods, styles, and opinions.
Though you are part correct about some Japanese and Korean arts getting info from Chinese. However, China did the same with Mongolian and Indian.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
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chamber?
O dear , tell him to look at boxers , and the power they get - its on that fight science it explains why its so effective.
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