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Old 08-28-2008, 06:19 PM   #16 (permalink)

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Blackbelt is certainly a notable accomplishment but it's not an end or something you hold on a pedestal. Different arts have different grading system which makes not all belts the same either.
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Old 08-28-2008, 06:21 PM   #17 (permalink)

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precisely. Not sure what more I can say.
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:55 AM   #18 (permalink)
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The black belt is a symbol of maturity, skill and strength, but mostly nowadays it symbolizes having knowledge of the very basics.
I agree with this. When I first started I thought that earning an "entry level" BB symbolized that I had achieved my ultimate goal. I see now that it will mean I have a good grasp of the basics.
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Old 08-29-2008, 05:52 AM   #19 (permalink)

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What is your goal? Am I wrong in thinking that I read in another thread that you wanted to be a fighter?
Yep, all I want is the skill to fight. Anything that I cant use in a kickboxing match or higher is worthless to me.
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:33 AM   #20 (permalink)

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The common situation, almost an infinitive amount of punches, kicks, form practicing, belt promotion, tournaments, and finally, the coveted black belt. Maybe a dan (degree) or two added to that same black belt. Two questions of a dilemma; How to maintain the desire of martial art training after obtaining the rank of black belt? What more can one achieve in order to continue training? Something happens to a martial art practitioner that deep embedded in their mind is the only foreseen goal-the black belt. The practitioner did not come to fully realize the art of the martial arts. The common motivation is to obtain that coveted black belt rank and certification. In the same analogy as a high-school diploma, the teenage scholastic student is anxious to get that diploma in order to retire from the arduous procedures from learning and study. Some of these students (as martial artist-black belters) will realize the need for further education, and go on to college (dans-degrees of black belt). After graduation from college, the student will start their career practices.

For a martial art practitioner, teaching is the next level after the accumulation of a few dans (degrees). From teaching, it is not realized from the common black belter, which different abilities will surface. Such as: a clearer understanding of a particular move or technique. People have come to a crossroad that their instructors had not prepared them for: continued martial art practice. This was not a preparation that an instructor had also been trained in. One of the points of this preparation is that a martial art instructor should have knowledge of other martial art systems, styles or studies. Maybe not on their actual physical practice, but at the very least of that from a scholarly approach. In other words: the acknowledgement of the very existence of other systems or styles and their fundamental methods.

If this were presented to students, especially black belt candidates or black belters, the motivation of continued study would become that of curiosity of other martial arts. Then again, some study as a part of peer pressure, remote curiousity, and strange tangent notions. Some realise it is too much work or effort and lke a hobby, drop it to go onto other things of interests.
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Yep, all I want is the skill to fight. Anything that I cant use in a kickboxing match or higher is worthless to me.
You dont need a skill to fight in order to survive and become a successful citizen of society.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:02 AM   #22 (permalink)

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Yep, all I want is the skill to fight. Anything that I cant use in a kickboxing match or higher is worthless to me.
Are you looking at kickboxing, or more towards MMA?
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:52 PM   #24 (permalink)

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usually people quit a white belt.
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I'm somewhat against belts, for one they were based off english prep-school jakets to prove grade. I know first dans who can tear apart some higher grades simply because they stopped learning at one belt and kept training on their own.
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I'm somewhat against belts, for one they were based off english prep-school jakets to prove grade. I know first dans who can tear apart some higher grades simply because they stopped learning at one belt and kept training on their own.

sure about that?

training on their own after 1st dan is almost like training at school with 1st dan. why not do both?

this wont work in judo.
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You dont need a skill to fight in order to survive and become a successful citizen of society.
You need a skill to fight in order to become a fighter. Zaraki wants to be a fighter. See what's he's doing? Clever if you ask me.
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I quit grading after red belt (my styles equivelant of a black belt) in Silat but still continued to attend classes. If I wanted to grade higher, then I had to give up training in other martial arts. Fortunately for me, Silat had system whereby you could learn techniques for higher up levels or even from other styles through the favour of your teacher, a "gift technique". Also, my school had become a belt factory and I no longer saw belt rank as being very significant. It took me close to four years of training 6 days to get my red belt but now you train for two days a week for two years and BAM you're a red belt. The other styles I've practiced had no belt systems, you were taught what the instructors believed you could understand.
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sure about that?

training on their own after 1st dan is almost like training at school with 1st dan. why not do both?

this wont work in judo.
If its the same why bother spending the money, you can either learn something else (cross train) or redifine your art (improve it).
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I cannot think of anyone I have met in the world of BJJ who got to black belt then quit.
I would hope not. That would be like getting a PhD in Psychology and then saying that you were sick of people complaining to you all the time.
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