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Have you seen anyone train until they are black belt then quit? I have seen it many times...if so what where their reasons for quitting?
The reasons for quitting i've been given are:
1- don't want to help to teach lower belts as they take too long to learn...
2- It's boring now and I can't learn anymore now i'm a 1st dan black belt.
Sorry for the rant but it really really annoys me, when people think that once they are 1st dans like myself, they know it all......because that is so far from the truth.
PS - those that quit to teach elsewhere and/or quit due to personal reasons I can understand...but some excuses ppl make are ridiculous.
Have you seen anyone train until they are black belt then quit? I have seen it many times...if so what where their reasons for quitting?
The reasons for quitting i've been given are:
1- don't want to help to teach lower belts as they take too long to learn...
2- It's boring now and I can't learn anymore now i'm a 1st dan black belt.
Sorry for the rant but it really really annoys me, when people think that once they are 1st dans like myself, they know it all......because that is so far from the truth.
PS - those that quit to teach elsewhere and/or quit due to personal reasons I can understand...but some excuses ppl make are ridiculous.
It happens a lot at my school, but that is mostly because getting 1st Dan comes around the same time as graduating from high school. Once a student graduates from high school, they no longer qualify to be in my program. Usually they quick martial arts altogether because our school is really cheap in comparison to other schools.
Have you seen anyone train until they are black belt then quit? I have seen it many times...if so what where their reasons for quitting?
I quit shotokan and judo at firsdan because they refused to teach me anything "higher" because of my age, for karate it was grappling and for judo it was striking and I just found other things. I quit AJJ at first dan because my instructor was a second dan basically couldn't promote me any higher. I quit Bujinkan Ninpo Taijutsu at shodan but thats because I made shodan in a year and we didn't spar.
Allot of people quit after black belt because they mislead into believing that once they reach black belt their training will somehow become better more advanced or harder. In some cases it does, my old shotokan sensei focused on fighting techniques and full-contact sparring after shodan, because of my age he refused to let me train at that level. But, when some people are lead to that assumption and the school doesn't deliever they leave. I don't see much of an issue with that.
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Just because you no longer pay to train does not mean you have quit martial arts. I understand what you are saying, and to me it seems that some just go through the motions and reach 1st dan and then quit because they have reached the initial goal and never thought about setting higher goals. Either that, or they just wanted the bragging rights, in which case I'd say they learned nothing from their MA training in the first place.
I had to stop attending formal class about a year and a half ago when my wife, who was pregnant with my 2nd son, was put on bedrest. Everything was fine and is fine with both her and my son, but I have not gone back yet. I still train at home when I can but now my "contract" has run out and I will not be allowed to return as my previous rank ( I was ready for my 1st dan testing when this happened), instead I'd have to return as a green or blue belt and work my way back up. I really don't mind that, but I think I should be at least given a chance to "test out" of a couple of ranks if I know the forms and other qualifications. I think it is more about money but it is a business, so who am I to say it's not right? Kinda makes me question the entire "rank" system anyway. It's nice to have, but when it's all said and done it really isn't worth much. I always quote Royce Gracie on that when he said, " The black belt only covers 3 inches of my a$$, the rest is up to me."
Have you seen anyone train until they are black belt then quit? I have seen it many times...if so what where their reasons for quitting?
I've seen this happen many, many times. I think the reason it happens a lot is because many people are under the impression that, when you receive a black belt in a style, you have 'graduated' from that style. These are usually the same kind of people who think that just having a black belt around your waist is the be-all, end-all to self defense.
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Well, I was one of those person and I don't think my reasons were the same as mentioned above. My parent enrolled me in Tae Kwon Do when I was in 3rd grade. I went 6 days a week without missing a single day, tested every month, and got my junior blackbelt in 1 year. My memory is very vague as to why my parents stopped my training. It wasn't because I was required to teach (I think in Korea, you had to be at least 3rd degree to teach and certainly a 9 year old wasn't going to do that), it wasn't because I was going to train in other styles, or felt I learned enough. I think it was just simply my parents wanting me to concentrate on my regular studies and I didn't have the strong desire at that time to go against parent's will.
I ran into a girl that formerly trained at the school I'm at now. She reached black belt then quit. She said she set herself a goal to get the BB, and when she did she was done. To each his/her own, but I’ve come to see martial arts as a life-long pursuit.
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I can understand why some of you are not training anymore and with valid reasons. It just annoys me when people think blackbelt is the be all and end all of martial arts when like JWK I see it as a life long thing.
Another thing to consider is that some people may come to think it's just not their "thing" but they have the will and desire to finish what they started and they don't quit until they acheive black belt. If that's the case, then I'm cool with that. If people are quitting for the reasons of not wanting to teach or think they have nothing more to learn, then I am afraid they really didn't deserve the black belt at all. That or the mental training was never there.
Back when I was taking TKD in 3rd grade, I don't think I had any goal. It was some after school exercise I had to go and do. I didn't hate it but can't remember really enjoying it. It was something forced down by my parents not something I chose.
I did choose to take martial arts when I was in college, and it was my choice not anyone else's and I enjoyed every minute of it. I didn't have any belt kind of goal but wanted to get better every day and continue as life long pursuit. However, once I graduated from college and entered the work force, I had to make few changes and unfortunately martial arts training was left out. Obviously, I still miss it and want to come back to it at some point - why else am I running a martial arts forum?
Eh, I find it annoying that black belts actually think they have more skill than someone else just because of their belt. BJJ is the only martial art that I know of that ranks purely on skill. TKD and the like have lots of pretty (but utterly useless) things you have to learn for a test. I have no desire to even reach black belt, since I can more than hold my own in sparring at the belt that I've already reached. I have no interest in learning cat stances, knife hand blocks, etc...They are worthless to my goals.
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Eh, I find it annoying that black belts actually think they have more skill than someone else just because of their belt. BJJ is the only martial art that I know of that ranks purely on skill. TKD and the like have lots of pretty (but utterly useless) things you have to learn for a test. I have no desire to even reach black belt, since I can more than hold my own in sparring at the belt that I've already reached. I have no interest in learning cat stances, knife hand blocks, etc...They are worthless to my goals.
What is your goal? Am I wrong in thinking that I read in another thread that you wanted to be a fighter?
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