What is Tang Soo to you?

[Dean]

We learn alot of hand techniques as well. I would say it is about %50 hands %50 kicks. And I believe as you develop it really demands on you which area you would like to concentrate on.

[N.B]

Originally Posted by Basho

joemoplata:
N.B:
I apologise for failing to be specific! Sicerely. I suppose it's defensible that hand and foot techniques are equally employed. But I still mantain that there is a greater variety of kicking techniques than punching. I mean that there are a myriad of kicking techniques while a punch is usually only defined by it's target area. You'll probably bring up the point that there are other hand techniques like the soo do and knife hand, etc. You're right. They aren't punches, but I should have mentioned them! But as for the fact that there aren't any kicks in the first few forms, I don't know what you mean. Sae kye hyung il bu, e bu, and sam bu use 6 snap kicks, 6 side kicks, and 6 roundhouse kicks, respectively. Maybe your training is different, but these are the first three forms I learned. I may be confused as to your meaning. Please reply!

Fair enough, this must be down to a difference in training/organisation. The first five forms I learn are: kicho hyung il bu, kicho hyung e bu, kicho hyung sam bu, pyung an cho dan, pyung an e dan. The first kick is seen in pyung nan ee dan.

Very interesting to hear about the Sae kye forms, I'd never heard of them before!

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Basho

joemoplata:
I can't say I'm sure what you mean, specifically, but I'll try to clear things up. I did make the statement that TSD and TKD are different in purpose, but I didn't make the claim that TSD is better as a defense. Also, I didn't say that competition is nonexistent. There IS competition in TSD, but it's focus is on perfecting technique; testing it against the techniques of others is secondary. If I've failed to answer your question, please let me know veither by personal message or just by reposting!

Basho,

Well, I was making an assumption on your comment of:

Tang Soo, however, actually takes pride in maintaining seperation from sports. It's about improvement of the self and perfection of "martial arts" as what their name suggests: not as a sport, but as a true art.

By saying you pride yourself in not being sport oriented you're suggesting there's something wrong with being sports oriented. I assumed you meant that it was because it's not as good for self defense.

[Torre]

Hooo boy, here we go again

[Shinobi_Kokujin]

first time when i was stationed in Va i took TSD under the Kanbukan association. cause i couldnt find a decent TKD school that measured up to the type i train in. it was an interesting experience.

TSD is an art but it also has a sport competition side to it. and to me its like a proto-type version to what would be called TKD along with other arts/ influences that contributed to TKD. cause after TKD took off

TSD is rarely practiced in Korea anymore. its more established in other countries. theres different claims regarding the history. I go with

the one that it developed from Shotokan Karate with a combination of Soo Bak Do, and some Kung Fu depending on what type of TSD you. some claim that there are Tae Kyon techniques but i dont see it cause Tae Kyon's techniques are executed very differently and are based on polyrhythmic movements.


when comparing TSD to TKD differences vary. a good TSD school's curriculum is similar to the Kukkiwon style of TKD used by the Korean military. the olympic styled sport side of TKD depends on the standard of the school on if it can measure up to a decent TSD school.

when i took TSD my instructor would often warn fellow students about my kicks cause he has knowledge an experience of KMA potential. cause during sparring sessions, some of the TSD classmates would underestimate TKD potential....and learned the hard way

[tkdKaren]

Wow interesting stuff on TSD as I don't know too much about it. Thanks for the info...I was stationed in So Korea about 11 years ago, but wasn't studying MA when I was there. I wish I had now...

[TKD&JKD]

I made it to green belt with one stipe in tang soo do. I was in Moo Du Kwan Tang Soo Do. The grandmaster of this organization was a man named richard byrne. He is a massive 9th degree BB who holds all sorts of world records in breaking. I beleive we were in the American Tang Soo federation. I thought it was good training for a young martial artist. I said it enabled me to pick up kenpo and tae kwon do much faster.

[Basho]

joemoplata:
I didn't mean to suggest that. And i'd never insult tae kwon. I have an older brother that used to train in TKD. I know what it can do. I don't think I'd ever trade TSD for TKD, though. But that's just my preference.

If anyone cares to talk about their specific organisation, I'd be happy to learn about that, too. My only experience is with the World Tang Soo Do Association.

[complete]

I've done both TKD and TSD and honestly, I didn't think there were such a huge difference in style.

[N.B]

Originally Posted by complete

I've done both TKD and TSD and honestly, I didn't think there were such a huge difference in style.

Really? I've done a few Taekwondo lessons and they seemed quite different in some respects, then again that was a long long time ago.

Is there any difference in TKD and TSD kicks?

[Dean]

I have participated in a TKD class. Our forms were similar in one sense however different. The forms i learned are more similar to Shotokan katas. Like N.B. stated earlier

"Fair enough, this must be down to a difference in training/organisation. The first five forms I learn are: kicho hyung il bu, kicho hyung e bu, kicho hyung sam bu, pyung an cho dan, pyung an e dan. The first kick is seen in pyung nan ee dan."

We do more self defense tech.(at our school) than the TKD school i visited but this must be up to individual instructor because i visited a Tang Soo Do school out of town and there was very little sparring or self defense or one steps.

[Basho]

dean:
I think you're probably right about instructor preference. Because most of what I've done recently is forms and one-steps. We cover them a lot; you've got to know ninety one-steps to get your cho dan black belt

[Dean]

We don't have a certain number of one steps to learn. We just learn them every class. I started writing down my self defense techniques, so i would remember. I want to learn them like you suggested. It would seem that if you know that many one steps tech. you would have a great base for defending yourself. And those can be the base for many other variations of those same techniques. I am going to start a journal of my classes and see how many techniques i come up with. Thnx

[TKD&JKD]

I did like the one-steps we did at Tang Sooo DO. These were replaced at my TKD dojang with hapkido wrist techniques.