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UFC 65
-Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva (provided that Liddell defeats Renato Sobral in August and is not injured in doing so; and provided that Silva is not injured in the semi-finals or finals of the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix in September)
-Kazuyuki Fujita vs. TBA
-Phil Baroni vs. TBA
Note: The currently scheduled date for this event is November 18th, but that date is subject to change because there is also an HBO Boxing PPV that is currently scheduled for November 18th.
Yeah, that is alot for the UFC this year. i think they are trying to capitalize on the growing interest in MMA and keep it going by giving the fans more shows. I hope the quality of shows don't suffer because of it.
I've seen that as well, don't know how true it is. Think frank is trying to come back to prepare for Tito Ortiz to avenge the Ken Shamrock defeats? Frank was a real tough guy back in the day.
Frank Shamrock Comments Relationship w/ Ken Shamrock
This news is a bit old but still interesting...
Frank Shamrock Comments Relationship w/ Ken Shamrock June 11, 2004
Reported By: Boxing Insider - 06.11.2004 02:18 AM
Boxinginsider.com: Ken's is makeing his UFC fighting return against Kimo on June 19th. How do you see that fight unfolding?
Frank Shamrock: I think it's going to be a very physical fight. Although Kimo is a pretty good technician, I think Ken is a far better technician. Kimo definitely has a fight on. I really feel like Ken's strength in this fight is to [bang] with him, to beat him up a little bit. Kimo has got some striking ability but he doesn't really know how to strike. I think Ken can really tire him out by whacking him around a little bit. Then on the ground, so long as Ken stays up on top and damages him I think he can fatigue him out pretty quickly and get him either him either with a hold or a choke or just beat him down -- "Well, you are grounded, pal".
Boxinginsider.com: Will you be in Las Vegas for the fight?
Frank Shamrock: I wish I were. I signed up about two months ago to do an appearance seminar in New Jersey so I'm going to watch it on pay per view after the gig. I miss the whole thing, unfortunately.
Boxinginsider.com: As far as future matches, I know Ken was been itching for a Tito Ortiz rematch when he is healthy. He would like a match with Royce Gracie. He recently tried to negotiate matches with Dan Severn as well as Tank Abbott. Is that who you would like see with Ken face in his next four fights?
Frank Shamrock: Yes, absolutely. I would do the Tank Abbott one-first because it would sell big. Ken has obviously got himself together mentally. I mean he is focused on cleaning up his losses and securing his record and his legacy, which is good. I'm glad he's on that path in all those fights. What people fail to realize -- is it takes nine years to build a generation on television. It takes years. It takes nine years to build a generation of fan base. Ken is one of the only guys who has been in the public for that complete length of time but who has also crossed over into other areas of public awareness at such a high level.
As I said, Ken has most probably attacked all of the mixed martial arts. He should be, and can still be, the poster boy for what a mixed martial arts sport and fighter is. He just needs to leverage those things properly. If he is on the right path of fighting, even he needs someone good to take care of his financial stability in the future; he needs to concentrate on his stuff.
BoxingInsider.com: If we could go back to the beginning. When did you first meet up with Bob and Ken Shamrock?
Frank Shamrock: I met Bob in 1988 I think it was, or 1989 -- somewhere around there. I was 13. I am 35 now and I've known him 18 years. Bob came to interview me at home in Reading, California. I had been through a number of group homes, so Bob's was an elevated level of security, as they call it. He came out and interviewed me and kind of liked me so he said he was going to try to get me at his home. I think about three weeks later he showed up and picked me up, and I was placed in his group home. I think I met Ken about three to four months later. He was away at college and had come back to visit Bob and to see everybody. That was the first time that I had actually met him then. I was 13 and I think we started training together about 8 or 9 years later.
Boxinginsider.com: What was the relationship like when you guys were training together in the early days?
Frank Shamrock: You know, Ken's a different kind of guy. Ken's a real fighter. He's a real warrior in that sense. It is very difficult to get close to him, and I never really developed a close personal relationship with him -- especially in the early days of training, because he really didn't want to train me. He thought -- and rightfully so, at the time, because it was truly about fighting, it wasn't about martial arts, or style or whatever -- he really thought that I didn't have the elements necessary to be a real fighter. I'm soft-spoken, I'm not an angry, aggressive person -- and he thought that if I wasn't going to make a fighter, he was basically wasting his time.
But Bob definitely wanted to do it, so he did it even though he didn't want to.
Boxinginsider.com: Did that cause some friction in your relationship?
Frank Shamrock: Not really. I understood that he didn't want tot train me. But I didn't really have a relationship with him. I had deep respect for his physical abilities and for his person -- he's a large, intimidating person. It was new to me; I hadn't really done anything sport-wise or physical-wise for a while; I hadn't really tested or tried my body out -- so I just went for it. But with Ken I never really developed that kind of close relationship. We were always in a teacher-student kind of relationship when we first started working out together.
Boxinginsider.com: Did you feel that the two of you could work well training together for the next phase of both your careers?
Boxinginsider.com: You did some fights early on in your career out of Pancrase. Ken was already famous over there - and you had been there for a bunch of his fights. Did you feel that you had to live up to any expectations?
Frank Shamrock: Oh, yes, of course. There's always that in any kind of older sibling relationship or younger sibling relationship, and then as well in professional relationships. So that was always there. Deep down inside that was one of the reasons why I felt that I had to leave in 1997 and make my own way because it's good -- I was getting as much as I believed the people there, and the people I was working with they didn't believe it or see it that there was another level that I was going to go to. They just figured that I was always going to be Ken's little brother, helping him out, working as his student.
Boxinginsider.com: You then went the some route as Ken and went to the US to fight in UFC where many people feel you became the greatest champion in UFC history. What was it like establishing a legacy on your own?
Frank Shamrock: It was very fulfilling. I really believed. I'm sort of an intellectual kind of guy when it comes to studying and doing things. I really believed at that point in time that I had the physical, the mental, and the technical ability to pretty much do whatever I wanted to in the way of fighting. In the fighters I was training I was really testing my theories and testing the things that I believed in on those guys, and they were very successful. So I knew, and I really, truly believed it, and I went to Canada, I went to my dad and I said "I really believe this is going to happen" and they both looked at me as if I had an extra finger coming out of my head, or whatever. They very politely told me that I wasn't a fighter, that I should concentrate on training and teaching and doing these other things.
That was really crushing to me to hear my mentor, my teachers, telling me that. So it almost became necessary to do all those things, and when I did them I had the fulfillment of something that not only I really believed in working, but also something that people kind of knew might happen, but I think more people were saying things like "Poor Frank, he's going to go and get his butt kicked." So it was very fulfilling in that way. It was kind of like not that "I told you so" but one of those "I knew I could do it" things.
Boxinginsider.com: You also left the Lion's Den then joined up with Maurice Smith and Team AKA. Was there friction between you and Ken then, and what was the dispute over?
Frank Shamrock: Yes. Ken wasn't happy that I left and the way that I left. I really didn't know how to articulate to him that [what I was doing] was holding me back from a career that I really believed in. I couldn't find a way to articulate that to Ken. So I kind of hectored at it and I told him what I was doing. Then one day I just got up early and I left. I left everything behind and I went to a new school and I went to a new area and I took with me my blue boxing gloves, and that was it. I left everything else behind. I left the name, and I started again.
It wasn't my intention. My intention was to carry on the Lion's Den, to carry on with traditions that we had created. When I left Ken said that I couldn't come back, that I couldn't use the name, that no one could train with me, and that essentially I was no longer a part of the family because of my choosing to leave. So I just accepted that and continued on, and that was where the friction started. He wasn't happy about that and he told his athletes not to participate with me, and it started this thing of friction. I never wanted it. I just wanted to do what I really believed in. Because of my lack of relationship with Ken I was unable to express to him that I truly believed in that and that I wanted to go do that.
Boxinginsider.com: And over the last few years - has that has sort of improved? Like You mentioned.
Frank Shamrock: We got over it, as time will do. It's been so long I can't even remember why it was such a big deal. When I look back on it, it was like "Wow, if that had never happened I would still be the same unhappy guy who's never going to achieve what he believes in and that wasn't my card in life.
Boxinginsider.com: Did you feel that the two of you could work well training together for the next phase of both your careers?
Frank Shamrock: Absolutely. I've always told Ken and let him know that -- without being disrespectful -- that the knowledge and the level of training that we have is just astronomical. [We'd be] able to build a team of athletes and trainers that I've never seen anywhere else in the world -- with the amount of skill that we have at present. I've always thought it would be great to work, train, and exchange with Ken, being family, being my brother and all -- with everything, business -- everything.
I see a giant future for both of us, working together, because this is a bigger story than two brothers doing it all. It is much better than one brother, or two brothers who don't talk. But who knows? Ken is a very stoic person. He is who he is, and I have just never been able to break into that with who I am, and Ken's never had a good click in that way. We've always had a relationship based on something else -- training, fighting, whatever it is we were doing. In that way it is a little different.
Boxinginsider.com: In your own words, what is Ken's place in mixed martial arts history?
Frank Shamrock: Ken is definitely one of the pioneers. If this sport were to die, Ken would be one of the only remembered people, which is either really good or really bad -- I'm not sure. Ken is at the top. He has always been my teacher and mentor and I put him above myself in all of these things. I have always wanted the best for him because he has worked harder and done more for this sport than anyone else out there.
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These fights are all just rumored at the moment but it looks like they've added Sylvia Vs Monson to this event instead of UFC 64 prolly to give the fighters a little more time to rest!!!
UFC 65: NOVEMBER 18 IN LAS VEGAS
-Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva (provided that Liddell debeats Renato Sobral in August and is not injured in doing so; and provided that Silva is not injured in the semi-finals or finals of the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix in September)
-Tim Sylvia vs. Jeff Monson for the UFC Heavyweight Title
-Kazuyuki Fujita vs. TBA
-Phil Baroni vs. TBA
Note: The currently scheduled date for this event is November 18th, but that date is subject to change because there is also an HBO Boxing PPV that is currently scheduled for November 18th.
Too many IFs for Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva. I wonder if UFC announced it too soon, in case something happens to either of them and don't fight each other.
Yes. There are too many "IF"s. If he wins and he wins, if he doesn't get hurt and he doesn't get hurt. Well, maybe if I started training and if so and so loses, maybe I can even get a shot at the title.....
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