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Old 01-13-2009, 08:58 AM   #16 (permalink)

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It may show as taped delay if some of the main card fights end early.
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Black Belt magazine features Lyoto on the cover of the Feb. 09 addition. The article starts off with this quote - "A traditional martial artist can rise to prominence in the mixed martial arts by imposing his will on opponents while strategically avoiding their attacks." He is 13 & 0 and is on his way to becoming a champion.
lyoto still puts on a gi and works out in Shotokan with his family 2X a week. His style baffles many of his opponents simply because there are not many traditionalists in MMA. He is evasive & hard to hit. He can hit back plenty though & you can get hit by a front kick or a lunge punch any time he decides to throw it.
The fight I really want to see though is GSP & BJ. I don't want to pick either one of them. I just want to see the fight.

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This is a discredit to Machida. You are not giving him enough credit to label him a traditionalist.

He started training in Sumo at age 12. He was a runner up in the 2000 Brazilian Sumo championships!

When he was 15 he started training BJJ and by the time of his American debut in the WFA in 2006 he was a purple belt. He has since then received his Black Belt in BJJ.

While he was in college, he trained with Inoki in Japanese Pro Wrestling where also took up Muay Thai. He fought in several promotions in Japan, including New Japan Pro Wrestling's Ultimate Crush card on May 2, 2003. It was while he was training with Inoki's camp that he actually began his MMA career.

He has been doing multiple types of martial arts training since he was a child and has cross trained with several different camps for years. While everyone wants to use him as the poster boy for TMA, he is NOT a TMA guy and never has been. Machida has been cross training for YEARS and YEARS.
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This is a discredit to Machida. You are not giving him enough credit to label him a traditionalist.

He started training in Sumo at age 12. He was a runner up in the 2000 Brazilian Sumo championships!

When he was 15 he started training BJJ and by the time of his American debut in the WFA in 2006 he was a purple belt. He has since then received his Black Belt in BJJ.

While he was in college, he trained with Inoki in Japanese Pro Wrestling where also took up Muay Thai. He fought in several promotions in Japan, including New Japan Pro Wrestling's Ultimate Crush card on May 2, 2003. It was while he was training with Inoki's camp that he actually began his MMA career.

He has been doing multiple types of martial arts training since he was a child and has cross trained with several different camps for years. While everyone wants to use him as the poster boy for TMA, he is NOT a TMA guy and never has been. Machida has been cross training for YEARS and YEARS.
Actually, I see him as a traditional martial artist. Why? Because he has trained in numerous martial arts. Not trained in mixed martial arts, where all of them were taught, but trained individually in each one. He has taken what he has experienced to work in each one and utilized it. This is how the old martial artists fought in years past.

Similarily, I teach to my students that there is no such thing as a "Wrong move" as long as it achieves the desired goal. So if you block one way (that may be taught a different way), and it works, then it was the right move for the moment. Yes, I teach that certain things should be done certain ways, but if they do those things a different way and it works, then great.

Also, it is best to train in different arts which may emphasize different ranges, in order to become a more well rounded martial artist. To have any weakness is an incomplete martial artist. This is why I have started my most recent training, as you already know.
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Nope, he was training with Inoki's team in Japan which is an MMA/Pro Wrestling team just prior to his MMA debut. Also, don't forget he had been training BJJ since he was 15 and we've already established BJJ is not a TMA.
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So how would you label him? As an MMA fighter with cross training in BJJ, Muay Thai, Sumo, Shotokan, and Pro Wrestling?
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So how would you label him? As an MMA fighter with cross training in BJJ, Muay Thai, Sumo, Shotokan, and Pro Wrestling?
No, just an MMA fighter. I thought we were all moving away from trying to label MMA fighters, but everytime someone who has a TMA background of any kind wins a couple of fights all of a sudden they are the answer for how TMA works and yet none of these guys are every truly singularly trained in any one martial art.

It would be like saying Josh Koscheck is only a wrestler, or BJ Penn is only a BJJ guy.
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It would be like saying Josh Koscheck is only a wrestler, or BJ Penn is only a BJJ guy.
They're not? LOL
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They're not? LOL
HA!! Nice.

But you see what I'm saying. I think that Machida's got a very unorthodox style that he developed mostly from his extensive Karate background, but he is also at a black belt level on the ground and did pro wrestling in Japan which has produced FANTASTIC MMA fighters. He has worked with some of the best in the business to be a complete fighter and he deserves that credit...saying he's only a karate fighter isnt' fair to him.
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I'm so depressed to find out that Koscheck isn't ONLY a wrestler....and even more crushed to find out that BJ Penn isn't ONLY A BJJ guy.


On a more serious note though, I would say that Machida is simply a "martial artist" in the true sense of the (two) word(s). He is a pretty complete package, which is the way most of the old "masters" were.
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It may show as taped delay if some of the main card fights end early.
I would assume it would be the first on the list to be shown, however this makes me miss the old days when they televised the whole show from start to finish.
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You guys kind of make it sound like being an MMA guy as opposed to being more traditional is a bad thing?
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The article I read about Lyoto didn't say he didn't train in other martial arts including BJJ, but his emphasis was on Karate he learned from his father.
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