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Yep, I agree 100% with Tri. It's not about the style of a fighter, or at least it shouldn't be. It should be about a fighter that is exciting to watch and can finish a fight. And up until recently Machida's fights were snore fests.
There was a time when Dan Henderson was one of my most hated fighters for the same reason. He was consistently having boring fights, I didn't care if he was winning or not who wants to watch a boring fighter?
And again, I would point out that it's probably BECAUSE of Machida's background in Karate sparring that he was having such boring fights since his attacks were usually light and based on speed and not power. More like pecks than punches, which is encouraged in Karate kumite.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
Yep, I agree 100% with Tri. It's not about the style of a fighter, or at least it shouldn't be. It should be about a fighter that is exciting to watch and can finish a fight. And up until recently Machida's fights were snore fests.
There was a time when Dan Henderson was one of my most hated fighters for the same reason. He was consistently having boring fights, I didn't care if he was winning or not who wants to watch a boring fighter?
And again, I would point out that it's probably BECAUSE of Machida's background in Karate sparring that he was having such boring fights since his attacks were usually light and based on speed and not power. More like pecks than punches, which is encouraged in Karate kumite.
Yeah Hendo's early fights were lame too. It wasn't until PRIDE that he got exciting. Like the first time he fought big Nog that was when I was like dude Hendo is awesome.
Yeah Hendo's early fights were lame too. It wasn't until PRIDE that he got exciting. Like the first time he fought big Nog that was when I was like dude Hendo is awesome.
I think the first time I really remember watching Henderson and thinking "Wow, he has really stepped up his game" was against Arona. That was such a good fight and the thing that impressed me so much was how good Dan looked on his back. Arona's BJJ is ridiculous, especially his top game and Dan was presenting a pretty good guard and half guard to Arona. Even though that fight went the distance and Dan lost he showed in that fight that we wasn't going to be another wrestler who never learns to expand his game and that he had been working hard in the gym on the weak parts of his game.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
Each one of these arts has numerous "arts" associated with them but easily most of them fall into the "Sriking" category. Of those, some have proven to be a more effective model for wining in MMA matches than others. There are very few champion MMA fighters who's Striking training is derived 100% from traditional Asian based Martial Arts other than Muay Thai.
So I do stand behind the notion that some striking arts have proven to be more effective than others for MMA.
But my point was based on us as fans and who we like as fighters, not on the styles in the cage. My point was more about let's not try to stand behind a fighter simply because we think they somehow represent our art in the fight. The truth is that all of these guys are cross trained, the days of ART vs ART are long gone.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
I think the first time I really remember watching Henderson and thinking "Wow, he has really stepped up his game" was against Arona. That was such a good fight and the thing that impressed me so much was how good Dan looked on his back. Arona's BJJ is ridiculous, especially his top game and Dan was presenting a pretty good guard and half guard to Arona. Even though that fight went the distance and Dan lost he showed in that fight that we wasn't going to be another wrestler who never learns to expand his game and that he had been working hard in the gym on the weak parts of his game.
Yeah that was a great fight! I liked the fight between him and Nog a lot too. When Nog was first supposed to fight Fedor and Fedor was hurt. Hendo stepped in so there would be a main event, what balls dude. And he did well he lost the fight but he got out of so many submissions and hurt Nog on the feet. He didn't tap either the ref stopped the fight because that arm bar was in deep.
But my point was based on us as fans and who we like as fighters, not on the styles in the cage. My point was more about let's not try to stand behind a fighter simply because we think they somehow represent our art in the fight. The truth is that all of these guys are cross trained, the days of ART vs ART are long gone.
I can agree with that.
You know that I've never mentioned Machida and his style or Karate in same sentence.
Yeah that was a great fight! I liked the fight between him and Nog a lot too. When Nog was first supposed to fight Fedor and Fedor was hurt. Hendo stepped in so there would be a main event, what balls dude. And he did well he lost the fight but he got out of so many submissions and hurt Nog on the feet. He didn't tap either the ref stopped the fight because that arm bar was in deep.
Yep, gotta respect that ya know?
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
-Lyoto Machida (15-0; #1 Light Heavyweight)* vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-3; #5 Light Heavyweight)*
-Ryan Bader (9-0) vs. Eric Schafer (11-3-2)
-Kyle Kingsberry (7-2) vs. Razak Al-Hassan (6-1)
-Pat Barry (4-1) vs. Antoni Hardonk (8-5)
-Jorge Rivera (16-7) vs. Rob Kimmson (22-4)
There is an article in the Sept., 2009 issue of Black belt magazine titled 'A Not-So private lesson' with Lyoto. In it he credits his Shotokan training with being the primary reason why he can hit & not be hit. He has an uncanny ability to get in, score & get out. He is also great at sucking the opponent in. His footwork comes straight out of Shotokan & from his Dad. He controls the distance. lyoto also had this to say: Why he fights like a samurai: “The distance and timing come from my karate. He can’t touch me at all because if he does, I’m dead. A long time ago in Japan, when someone fought, he used a katana. If you were touched by one, it meant you lost an arm or your life.”
It was suggested in the article that if you want to acquire the footwork & distance control you should visit a Shotokan 'point karate tournament'. Please read the article first. No condemnation before investigation.
What say ye?
-Lyoto Machida (15-0; #1 Light Heavyweight)* vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-3; #5 Light Heavyweight)*
-Ryan Bader (9-0) vs. Eric Schafer (11-3-2)
-Kyle Kingsberry (7-2) vs. Razak Al-Hassan (6-1)
-Pat Barry (4-1) vs. Antoni Hardonk (8-5)
-Jorge Rivera (16-7) vs. Rob Kimmson (22-4)
-Ben Rothwell (30-6) vs. Chase Gormley (6-0)
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