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UFC 104: OCTOBER 24, 2009
venue: The Staples Center in Los Angeles, California
Main Card Bouts:
-Lyoto Machida (15-0; #1 Light Heavyweight)* vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-3; #5 Light Heavyweight)*
-Cain Velasquez (6-0; #8 Heavyweight)* vs. Ben Rothwell (30-6)
-Josh Neer (25-8-1) vs. Gleison Tibau (17-7)
-Joe Stevenson (30-10) vs. Spencer Fisher (23-4)
-Anthony Johnson (7-2) vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida (11-3)
Preliminary Bouts:
-Yushin Okami (23-4) vs. Chael Sonnen (23-10-1)
-Pat Barry (4-1) vs. Antoni Hardonk (8-5)
-Jorge Rivera (16-7) vs. Rob Kimmons (22-4)
-Ryan Bader (9-0) vs. Eric Schafer (11-3-2)
-Kyle Kingsberry (7-2) vs. Razak Al-Hassan (6-1)
-Chase Gormley (6-0) vs. Stefan Struve (17-3)
-Lyoto Machida (15-0; #1 Light Heavyweight)* vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-3; #5 Light Heavyweight)*
-Ryan Bader (9-0) vs. Eric Schafer (11-3-2)
-Kyle Kingsberry (7-2) vs. Razak Al-Hassan (6-1)
-Pat Barry (4-1) vs. Antoni Hardonk (8-5)
Yes, we know how you feel about Machida. It should be a good fight. Promise me you'd give Machida more credit if he can beat Shogun in top form.
Machida scored two decisve wins if he continues to win like that I'm on board. But Shogun is one of my favorite fighters period. And forgive me for wanting to root for on of my faves. I know a lot of you are new to the sport and only know what Joe Rogan tells you but, if Shogun shows up as Shogun and Lyoto continues to do what he is doing this could be one of the greatst fights of all time!!
Machida scored two decisve wins if he continues to win like that I'm on board. But Shogun is one of my favorite fighters period. And forgive me for wanting to root for on of my faves. I know a lot of you are new to the sport and only know what Joe Rogan tells you but, if Shogun shows up as Shogun and Lyoto continues to do what he is doing this could be one of the greatst fights of all time!!
Complete, why do you have such a huge love for Machida?
I don't. I'm just bring it up with Tri but he was very negative before Rashad fight calling it will be the most boring fight.
I already started a thread about this before. I'm not jumping on Machida bandwagon. I was already impressed with him when I found out he was the first one to knock out Rich Franklin at the time when he had only 1 loss. His early fights were boring, all going the distance but I learned to appreciate his technicality and the fact that he's never lost a round and never taken any damage.
Yeah but in that Franklin fight Rich was dominating the entire fight until he got caught, anyone can get caught. So really until recently he really hadn't proved anything to me in the ring except he was good at back peddeling. Now he's starting to fight and go for the win and, I can respect that.
And Shogun fyi was the 2005 Middleweight Grand Prix champ and never wanted a title fight against wandy his team mate and friend.
I don't. I'm just bring it up with Tri but he was very negative before Rashad fight calling it will be the most boring fight.
I already started a thread about this before. I'm not jumping on Machida bandwagon. I was already impressed with him when I found out he was the first one to knock out Rich Franklin at the time when he had only 1 loss. His early fights were boring, all going the distance but I learned to appreciate his technicality and the fact that he's never lost a round and never taken any damage.
I don't know dude, you may want to watch some of his pre-UFC fights. His fight with BJ Penn was close, BJ scored some good shots and took him down towards the end of the first round, had that round not ended it could have been ugly for Machida. BJ lost that fight because of typical BJ - he gassed and couldn't really pick it back up for the second half of the fight.
The reason I'm asking is because it seems like you're grasping at what seems to be the first "TMA" guy in MMA to be highly successful. And in my opinion, that is really unfair to Machida. That guy is the epitomy of MMA, he started training Sumo at the age of 12, BJJ at the age of 15 and won tournaments early on in Karate, Sumo and BJJ.
He is exactly NOT a TMA guy and yet everyone seems to want to use him as some type of poster boy for how Karate is so effective. He's using all of his skills to win fights including his grappling which is NOT from his Karate training.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
I don't know dude, you may want to watch some of his pre-UFC fights. His fight with BJ Penn was close, BJ scored some good shots and took him down towards the end of the first round, had that round not ended it could have been ugly for Machida. BJ lost that fight because of typical BJ - he gassed and couldn't really pick it back up for the second half of the fight.
The reason I'm asking is because it seems like you're grasping at what seems to be the first "TMA" guy in MMA to be highly successful. And in my opinion, that is really unfair to Machida. That guy is the epitomy of MMA, he started training Sumo at the age of 12, BJJ at the age of 15 and won tournaments early on in Karate, Sumo and BJJ.
He is exactly NOT a TMA guy and yet everyone seems to want to use him as some type of poster boy for how Karate is so effective. He's using all of his skills to win fights including his grappling which is NOT from his Karate training.
I know what you are implying and I'm not doing that. I'm trained in Korean martial arts so I'm not a big Karate fan.
I've said this before also. MMA just as the name suggest, is mixed martial arts. The mixed parts come from many TMA. I would even consider BJJ a TMA in purest form, just as I would with Muay Thai, or any other.
My question in thread was only really meant for Tri for him taking a real strong stance against Machida. It was nothing about TMA vs. MMA type of discussion.
I know what you are implying and I'm not doing that. I'm trained in Korean martial arts so I'm not a big Karate fan.
I've said this before also. MMA just as the name suggest, is mixed martial arts. The mixed parts come from many TMA. I would even consider BJJ a TMA in purest form, just as I would with Muay Thai, or any other.
My question in thread was only really meant for Tri for him taking a real strong stance against Machida. It was nothing about TMA vs. MMA type of discussion.
Fair enough, just making sure!
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
I know what you are implying and I'm not doing that. I'm trained in Korean martial arts so I'm not a big Karate fan.
I've said this before also. MMA just as the name suggest, is mixed martial arts. The mixed parts come from many TMA. I would even consider BJJ a TMA in purest form, just as I would with Muay Thai, or any other.
My question in thread was only really meant for Tri for him taking a real strong stance against Machida. It was nothing about TMA vs. MMA type of discussion.
Because I feel as Joe said people are jumping on this bandwagon because of the karate thing. I've seen almost all of his fights and until recently he hadn't really impressed me. Like Joe said BJ was wining that fight and was fighting 3 weight classes above his normal weight. Now he's had two good fights I"m looking forward to seeing him again. His fight against Tito was lame one knee and two take downs that was it waste of 15 mins.
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