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There are ways to disarm someone with a gun at close range but at long range your chances are very small(remember 1 shot and your dead). Your only real chance is if the gun is old and it jams.....
No your best chance is that 80% of the gun owners in America can't shoot worth a damn. I got shot a few years ago, the gang-banger who was hooting missed my friends truck, which we used for cover and my friend was too stupid to look were he was shooting from the truck.
No one got hit, except for a buildings and a few parked cars. To me, it was... stupid. Some kid or civilian could have got shot in the cross fire. Also 1 shot will not kill you, it depends on where you are hit and with what. otherwise your just gonna get hurt.
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Basically what you looking at is a drill where you change both firing position and platform annd it won't look like the gun kata from the movies.
I think that quality of it is pretty good. See, movies such as The Matrix and Equilibrium were based on the idea of turning guns into stylized martial arts type of weapons instead of the stereotype that guns are some kind of equal playing field and no one was really good or bad at using them.
The truth, as always, falls somewhere in the middle.
Baytor, I was in no way, implying that waving around guns will make you better at shooting. I think that our ideas about what a kata is are very different. I am saying that a kata is a set of predefined movements (1). Now, in the case of a SWAT-like group special techniques for dynamic entry, securing a building, etc DO exist(2). Certainly you don't think a SWAT team goes into a hostage situation with no idea of what the inside of a building looks like (3)or with no idea about where potential hostiles may attempt an ambush (4), right?
1. Yes, as I said, I consider SPORTS drills for weapon clearing a type of kata, and am willing to accept that drawing and reloading could be one.
2. Yes, there are techniques used for dynamic entry and the such. However, because of the fluid nature of dynamic entry it is very difficult to put it into a kata. The techniques you may be thinking of are not necessarily strung togather in a kata. Far too often, you don't know what's on the other side of the door or around the corner. You don't get to do a kata because the layout and resistance you meet determines your place in the stack. Like I said, it's pretty fluid. I would say it's more conceptual than kata based.
3. That depends entirely on how much time you have to research a site. You don't always have that luxury. If there's an active shooter, you don't have the luxury of time, you have to act and that means sometimes going into buildings blind.
4. Goes with point 3. If you have the fiber optic tech that's great and it gives you an advantage. You don't always get those toys and you have to just go with speed aggression and surprise.
I'm not really trying to be a dick or anything, but whenever I hear the phrase "gun kata" it just annoyes me. It is almost always from some kid who watched some movies and suddenly thought it was such a great idea but has no idea about the reality of shooting. This discussion at least has some degree of reasonableness to it.
1. Yes, as I said, I consider SPORTS drills for weapon clearing a type of kata, and am willing to accept that drawing and reloading could be one.
2. Yes, there are techniques used for dynamic entry and the such. However, because of the fluid nature of dynamic entry it is very difficult to put it into a kata. The techniques you may be thinking of are not necessarily strung togather in a kata. Far too often, you don't know what's on the other side of the door or around the corner. You don't get to do a kata because the layout and resistance you meet determines your place in the stack. Like I said, it's pretty fluid. I would say it's more conceptual than kata based.
3. That depends entirely on how much time you have to research a site. You don't always have that luxury. If there's an active shooter, you don't have the luxury of time, you have to act and that means sometimes going into buildings blind.
4. Goes with point 3. If you have the fiber optic tech that's great and it gives you an advantage. You don't always get those toys and you have to just go with speed aggression and surprise.
I'm not really trying to be a dick or anything, but whenever I hear the phrase "gun kata" it just annoyes me. It is almost always from some kid who watched some movies and suddenly thought it was such a great idea but has no idea about the reality of shooting. This discussion at least has some degree of reasonableness to it.
I agree with you on all those points. In number two, I think that it just gets lost in something of a gray area. For instance, I would say that a form helps to teach you to string techniques together. For instance, having one team member ram a door in followed by a dynamic entry of your team. Two separate techniques that are mildly complex by themselves but require a great deal of coordination when done together. But then again, this is based on my personal view of forms. I could easily see how someone could argue that a form would crystallize thinking making the moves less fluid.
No your best chance is that 80% of the gun owners in America can't shoot worth a damn. I got shot a few years ago, the gang-banger who was hooting missed my friends truck, which we used for cover and my friend was too stupid to look were he was shooting from the truck.
No one got hit, except for a buildings and a few parked cars. To me, it was... stupid. Some kid or civilian could have got shot in the cross fire. Also 1 shot will not kill you, it depends on where you are hit and with what. otherwise your just gonna get hurt.
Indeed.....which is why I firmly believe in gun control.........
Gun control- when you practice to hit the target.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Indeed.....which is why I firmly believe in gun control.........
Gun control- when you practice to hit the target.
You sir, are infringing on our God given right that is guaranteed to us by the 2nd Amendment. It is explicitly implied that we can own any kind of gun we want to brandish and discharge randomly without fear of reprisal.
You sir, are infringing on our God given right that is guaranteed to us by the 2nd Amendment. It is explicitly implied that we can own any kind of gun we want to brandish and discharge randomly without fear of reprisal.
Many of us can't own "any" kind of gun. There are restrictions varying state to state.....
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
No many of us can't legally own "any" kind of gun. I know an old guy who technically can't own a Browning 50 cal, but he has it in his basement...
In a country as free as the United States, prohibition laws of any type (whether they be against weapons, drugs, abortion, etc.) are only effective if every single citizen chooses to obey them. Since that's never going to happen, it kind of makes you wonder what the real motivations are behind some legislation.
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In a country as free as the United States, prohibition laws of any type (whether they be against weapons, drugs, abortion, etc.) are only effective if every single citizen chooses to obey them. Since that's never going to happen, it kind of makes you wonder what the real motivations are behind some legislation.
I disagree in part about what you are saying simply because there are many people out there who will respect an inconvenient or unjust law simply because it is a law. Beyond that, once it is a law then you can punish it properly where as if it was all legal then there wouldn't be the authority available to punish it.
The best way to rephrase it is to say that locks on doors are there to keep the honest people honest. Someone who wants to steal something bad enough will find a way to do it or get caught trying.
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Some kid or civilian could have got shot in the cross fire. Also 1 shot will not kill you, it depends on where you are hit and with what. otherwise your just gonna get hurt.
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