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I believe I have had enough of this conversation, this will now be my last post as I have decided it is pointless to continue.....
I'm surprised that a few posts by Unkotare can discourage you. You could have replied to my critiques...
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Originally Posted by Corey Roberts
Magister, I do however have to thank you for being the only person offering criticism on here, that even had some basic knowledge of this subject in which to generate a decent debate
I believe that from our conversation, my knowledge of the sources was equal to yours, if not more so. The only knowledge I do not have is regarding the institution of ARMA and the playing it prescribes.
At times it seemed you picked me up on things which were merely scoring points, without any logical reasoning (such as stating that I meant "Krieg" not "Hardarbeit" - when the two are interchangable). Leaving the conversation says more than anything you had said whilst in the forum - I'm sad to see that my critiques had no effect.
__________________ "Tradition comes from when a master realises a truth, then teaches it to others; his source was the world around him. The tradition begins when students follow the doctrine but fail to see the truth it teaches. Martial Arts, like religion, are now the gospel.
So I assert; Seek not to follow in the footsteps of great men, but seek that which they themselves had sought." Magister, on the Eskirmological Law of Institutionalisation
No, I have not. I have no interest in teaching, convincing, or proving anything about myself to the likes of you. You are absolutely free to not believe anything I claim about myself. You will find however, that I do not claim anything fantastic, ridiculous, or anachronistic.
The videos you referenced however, are quite telling...
You do have something to prove, although I'm not quite sure what it is yet. You may be trying to prove that you're actually a martial artist, but you're failing horribly on that point (unless forum-warriors are now considered martial artists). Maybe you're trying to prove that a bunch of 'LARPers' can't show you up with a couple videos... but wait, you've provided no evidence otherwise. Oh I know; is it that you're either a teenager, too out-of-shape to demonstrate any aptitude or both that you insist on never once contributing anything meaningful to this thread and probably this forum?
You're right that you don't claim anything 'fantastic, ridiculous or anachronistic'... but that's fairly easy to do when you don't claim anything in the first place.
Magister demonstrated knowledge of what we practice and, even though he might not agree with the way we do things, he can explain to you that it is far from 'LARPing'. A couple other people were willing to discuss what was shown. I know you're type, though. I AM you're type on some other forums that have nothing to do with martial arts. Due to that, I know that anything you say here is completely shallow, inconsequential and displayed in a way to cover up your own lack of knowledge or skill.
You do have something to prove, although I'm not quite sure what it is yet. You may be trying to prove that you're actually a martial artist, but you're failing horribly on that point .
Ah, I see. I guess you have to have your official 'martial artist' card stamped at the nearest Renaissance fair to be 'official'...
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Originally Posted by Tristan-
that a bunch of 'LARPers' can't show you up with a couple videos... .
You showed exactly what I thought you'd show with those videos.
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Originally Posted by Tristan-
displayed in a way to cover up your own lack of knowledge or skill.
As opposed to putting your lack of knowledge and skill on a video and trying to sell it to a bunch of kids who don't know better?
( Yeah, Yeah, I know I said it was my last post so sue me) Magister, my response related to Krieg, I will be as brief as possible here now. While there was actually some substance to your postings which made responding worth while, I felt I was wasting my time responding to posts made by Unkotare.
to my current understanding,
Krieg: A fighting distance, the close in range,.
Handarbeiten: Various techniques which can be executed in Krieg
examples of such: Binden, Hengen, Durchlaufen etc.
Your posts showed at least you knew of the source works and could quote them.
But, certain word choices you used made it seem to me,that you did not regularly train Physically in them. Which led me to ask you 5 simple and straightforward questions, which still stand.
If the conversation remains constructive I may continue, otherwise I'm wasting my time and have better things to be doing.
Last edited by Corey Roberts; 12-04-2007 at 11:15 PM.
Reason: because
What was clear from the video was that each fighter merely held a guard due to personal fancy rather than the strategic consideration of the opponent’s guard, and for this reason, there was no prediction of the attack to be made. Due to this fact, there was little application of timing in relation to the opponent. The attacks were laid on with little response and with little mind to the opponent’s own position. In several occasions, a thrust was made even though the opponent’s sword was in reach in attack. Via these points, I conlude that the true use of the sword was not evident, with mastery of the opponent, and consequently, no intelligent combat, based upon the manuals was shown. Either I am blind, or there was no control of the opponent, placing him strategically in positions in which he is unable to create a counter attack – evidence of mastery of the long sword.
Looks like a way to explain that it is a martial sport
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Styles: Cloak and Sabre,longsword style wuthout a name.
Posts: 779
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You could put it that if they were using real swords ina fight,it would have ended ina draw.simply because both sides would mosy likely have been severly injured.
Wich is why its good to play your position,based on the opponents position,so you go be unskathed.
Just something to note.Nothing personal.
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"If your opponents sword says hello,greet him with two thunder claps."
"If you want your captive to give you honest answers,do not torture them.If you find out the location of their leader,then attacking the threat from its source."
This forum is a complete waste of time, I encourage all ARMA Members to stop wasting valuable energy on these folks. These guys:
1-register under stupid made-up names then call us larpers
2-Have no idea what they are talking about as it relates to anything we do.
3-do not give straight answers to any questions posed to them.
4-Do not or cannot show any examples of thier own "mastery of anything execpt B.S.
All you folks are welcome anytime to contact me and train with me anytime. I would love to see some "mastery" according to you guys. I train at "Original Martial Systems" 3315 w. College Ave Appleton WI 54911. Sundays from 2:30pm-5:00pm. Contact me at iceman9108@yahoo.com for any serious questions. I am all done here with this childish conversation. Thanks, Aaron Pynenberg
Styles: Cloak and Sabre,longsword style wuthout a name.
Posts: 779
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Originally Posted by Unkotare
Ah, the 'Stamp your feet and sulk off' technique! The first technique you've shown that I believe could work. Its all in the execution.
I guess you don't see anything wrong with this scenerio?
Don't answer that,it was Rhetorical.
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"If your opponents sword says hello,greet him with two thunder claps."
"If you want your captive to give you honest answers,do not torture them.If you find out the location of their leader,then attacking the threat from its source."
Styles: Cloak and Sabre,longsword style wuthout a name.
Posts: 779
Home Country:
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Originally Posted by Unkotare
Which scenario is that?
Oh brother.Or as Charlie Brown says it,good grief.
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"If your opponents sword says hello,greet him with two thunder claps."
"If you want your captive to give you honest answers,do not torture them.If you find out the location of their leader,then attacking the threat from its source."
This forum is a complete waste of time, I encourage all ARMA Members to stop wasting valuable energy on these folks. These guys:
1-register under stupid made-up names then call us larpers
2-Have no idea what they are talking about as it relates to anything we do.
3-do not give straight answers to any questions posed to them.
4-Do not or cannot show any examples of thier own "mastery of anything execpt B.S.
All you folks are welcome anytime to contact me and train with me anytime. I would love to see some "mastery" according to you guys. I train at "Original Martial Systems" 3315 w. College Ave Appleton WI 54911. Sundays from 2:30pm-5:00pm. Contact me at iceman9108@yahoo.com for any serious questions. I am all done here with this childish conversation. Thanks, Aaron Pynenberg
Boo hoo...Because some disagree with you, you going to throw in the towel........
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
This forum is a complete waste of time, I encourage all ARMA Members to stop wasting valuable energy on these folks. These guys:
1-register under stupid made-up names then call us larpers
2-Have no idea what they are talking about as it relates to anything we do.
3-do not give straight answers to any questions posed to them.
4-Do not or cannot show any examples of thier own "mastery of anything execpt B.S.
1-That's funny, isn't this the norm all over the internet, mr iceman9108?
2-We know exactly what we're talking about, do you?
3-A bit rich, seeing as I'm still waiting for an answer from that previous post:
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Originally Posted by N.B
Anyway, whether or not the video showed a true representation of renaissance martial arts, I the problem I have (and I'm sure the rest of us have had this in mind as well) is with Kampfringens definition of what constitutes a martial art. In earlier posts on other threads he claimed that boxing, judo and similar martial arts were not, in fact, martial arts. Yet this ARMA stuff is a martial art somehow.
I personally don't see how you can define this ARMA stuff as a martial arts without also classing judo, boxing, kendo etc as martial arts as well.
4-What, so you can just come onto this forum and demand videos of other members practicing their individual martial arts? Sorry mate, but you don't have the world at your command. Besides, to ask someone to show their 'mastery' of martial arts just through a video or two is to mis-understand martial arts themselves. It would take a lot longer to show a mastery of an art than what you could fit in a youtube video.
Oh well, I guess there's not much point saying this now, I'm just disappointed that ARMA members have been put off so easily.
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Ah, Steven Seagull, I bet nobody's thought of that before.
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