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How so? Some AK47 are full-auto while others are semi-auto, in either case they demonstrate the characteristics of an assasult rifle. High Capacity ammo magazines, small & light wieght & a rifle...
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How so? Some AK47 are full-auto while others are semi-auto, in either case they demonstrate the characteristics of an assasult rifle. High Capacity ammo magazines, small & light wieght & a rifle...
High capacity magazines and small, light weight, are not just in Assault Rifles/Weapons.
Well, given the understanding of the round, it is more like a Assault Machine Gun. The M-16, would seem like more of a "rifle" class. Though the AK has been issued in 7.62x59, making it a "rifle" class. But these are not as common issued.
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Well, given the understanding of the round, it is more like a Assault Machine Gun. The M-16, would seem like more of a "rifle" class. Though the AK has been issued in 7.62x59, making it a "rifle" class. But these are not as common issued.
Yes the 7.62x59mm round is common, more then the 5.56mm round used by the US & NATO. Its a common round for Warsaw Pact Countries such as Former Soviet Block Countries, China, North Korea & most of the middle east. In the US a Soviet Round is rare in Russia one might say the same of the S&W .357 or Wincester 308 rounds.
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So, whether it is considered an assault rifle or machine gun is determined by the type of ammo it is using?
No the term Assault Rifle was invented by Hittler, but the gun came from the Germans. Basically as Assault Rifle brings a bare a class rifle structure
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"An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and battle rifle ammunition. Assault rifles are categorized between light machine guns, intended more for sustained automatic fire in a support role, and submachine guns, which fire a handgun cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge. Assault rifles are the standard small arms in most modern armies, having largely replaced or supplemented larger, more powerful battle rifles, such as the World War II-era M1 Garand and Tokarev SVT."
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No the term Assault Rifle was invented by Hittler, but the gun came from the Germans. Basically as Assault Rifle brings a bare a class rifle structure
From Wiki
"An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and battle rifle ammunition. Assault rifles are categorized between light machine guns, intended more for sustained automatic fire in a support role, and submachine guns, which fire a handgun cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge. Assault rifles are the standard small arms in most modern armies, having largely replaced or supplemented larger, more powerful battle rifles, such as the World War II-era M1 Garand and Tokarev SVT."
Actually the term assualt rifle wasnt used by Hitler. The Sturmgewehr 44 was actually the first Assault Rifle, that Hitler despised upon being shown. It translated as "Storm Rifle". There is some conflict of Hitler actually naming it. Most of my references state that Hitler hated it as he was more into "traditional infantry rifles". But "assault rifle" is a English translation from the German term.
It was Kalashnikov whom was part if the raid on Berlin that picked up on one and returned with it to Russia. Later to develop/model the AK off it.
Simply any automatic weapon using a large capacity magazine is not a assault rifle, as small machine guns fit in this category.
I believe, because of trajectory and ballastics, that the 7.62 fired from the AK, verses the 5.56 from the M-16, that the AK is not as nearly a "rifle" as the M-16. My books/references and speaking to many gun people about this seem to agree.
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Actually the term assualt rifle wasnt used by Hitler. The Sturmgewehr 44 was actually the first Assault Rifle, that Hitler despised upon being shown. It translated as "Storm Rifle". There is some conflict of Hitler actually naming it. Most of my references state that Hitler hated it as he was more into "traditional infantry rifles". But "assault rifle" is a English translation from the German term.
It was Kalashnikov whom was part if the raid on Berlin that picked up on one and returned with it to Russia. Later to develop/model the AK off it.
Simply any automatic weapon using a large capacity magazine is not a assault rifle, as small machine guns fit in this category.
I believe, because of trajectory and ballastics, that the 7.62 fired from the AK, verses the 5.56 from the M-16, that the AK is not as nearly a "rifle" as the M-16. My books/references and speaking to many gun people about this seem to agree.
I know this might be a little off-topic (like this conversation), but I would like to happily comment on the fact that this forum is one of the very few places where I may engage in intellectual conversation. Attempting to begin any sort of intelligent conversation from most other students in my classes (I'm in high school) is homogenous to squeezing water from a stone, and presenting any uncommon/rare knowledge I may have about any particular subject either sets me up for ridicule or props me up on a pedestal.
Back into the conversation. MartialMan, how numerous are these references?
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Yes the 7.62x59mm round is common, more then the 5.56mm round used by the US & NATO. Its a common round for Warsaw Pact Countries such as Former Soviet Block Countries, China, North Korea & most of the middle east. In the US a Soviet Round is rare in Russia one might say the same of the S&W .357 or Wincester 308 rounds.
Are you sayng that the 7.62x59 (or 39) is rare in the US?
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I know this might be a little off-topic (like this conversation), but I would like to happily comment on the fact that this forum is one of the very few places where I may engage in intellectual conversation. Attempting to begin any sort of intelligent conversation from most other students in my classes (I'm in high school) is homogenous to squeezing water from a stone, and presenting any uncommon/rare knowledge I may have about any particular subject either sets me up for ridicule or props me up on a pedestal.
Back into the conversation. MartialMan, how numerous are these references?
Just like I collected books on martial arts for over 35 years, same for firearms. My whole family on both sides are into guns. They range from hunters, cops, muilitary, gun dealers, and gun smiths. I have 9 Uncles on one side and 11 on the other. All having a few offspring from many different generations ranging from 8 yr olds to 50 year olds. (The older having the oldest offspring, such as myself and cousins near my age)
I routinely go to gun shows, gun shoots, and am on gun forums as well.
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Are you sayng that the 7.62x59 (or 39) is rare in the US?
The common AK47 7.62mm round is rare because the actual AK 47 uses a rim fired short round. Another term for 7.62mm rounds is .308 caliber. The common American .308 cal/7.62 round is longer and a center fire round in comparision. So most "AKs" bought in the US are actually SKS (Civilian Modernized) rifles, which fire an American .308 cartrage.
In some rare cases, an actual rim fired AK round can be bought, but any purchases are closely monitiored. It's not a round you'll find at your local Wal Greens.
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Simply any automatic weapon using a large capacity magazine is not a assault rifle, as small machine guns fit in this category.
That is the idea of an assault rifle, to give machine gun like function in a rifle form. Few Machine guns the M60 and the 249 Squad Automatic Weapon, offer a machine gun which can be carried and used by an infantry soldier.
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I believe, because of trajectory and ballastics, that the 7.62 fired from the AK, verses the 5.56 from the M-16, that the AK is not as nearly a "rifle" as the M-16. My books/references and speaking to many gun people about this seem to agree.
The ballistics are different, the AK/SKS round will punch through and the M16/M4 round will tumble when hitting a target. The AR15 was the civilian prototype and was predicessed by the AR14 (not to be confussed with the M14) which fire an American 7.62 (308 cal) round. The reason for the change to a smaller round was the the military version of AR14 was hard to control at full auto due to the recoil of the weapon.
All rounds essentally travel the same way, they arc up when the leave the barrel and begin to desent after a certain distance. The AK/SKS round is heavier and can be used for plunging fire, were an 5.56mm (.223 cal) round can not be.
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The common AK47 7.62mm round is rare because the actual AK 47 uses a rim fired short round. Another term for 7.62mm rounds is .308 caliber. The common American .308 cal/7.62 round is longer and a center fire round in comparision. So most "AKs" bought in the US are actually SKS (Civilian Modernized) rifles, which fire an American .308 cartrage.
In some rare cases, an actual rim fired AK round can be bought, but any purchases are closely monitiored. It's not a round you'll find at your local Wal Greens.
I beg to differ that the AK uses a rim fire case. I dont think the case is rim fire, but center fire. The round was developed, perhaps by the Germans in WWII, as a variety of 7mm rounds were preferred choices.
Close to ture, that the 7.62 is "close" to the 3.08, but that is more likely the 7.62x51/59 and not the 7.62x39.
Early AK was based upon the 7.62x41, but was quickly adapted to the 7.62x39 because the SKS was using same.
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That is the idea of an assault rifle, to give machine gun like function in a rifle form. Few Machine guns the M60 and the 249 Squad Automatic Weapon, offer a machine gun which can be carried and used by an infantry soldier.
The ballistics are different, the AK/SKS round will punch through and the M16/M4 round will tumble when hitting a target. The AR15 was the civilian prototype and was predicessed by the AR14 (not to be confussed with the M14) which fire an American 7.62 (308 cal) round. The reason for the change to a smaller round was the the military version of AR14 was hard to control at full auto due to the recoil of the weapon.
All rounds essentally travel the same way, they arc up when the leave the barrel and begin to desent after a certain distance. The AK/SKS round is heavier and can be used for plunging fire, were an 5.56mm (.223 cal) round can not be.
The 5.56/223 will not always tumble when hitting a target. Unless bone was hit from a angle.
Machine guns having a magazine isnt the same as a rifle class. The AK is more of a machine gun weapon wheras the AR is in the rifle class.
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